Thread: Competition: Propose the best realistic team

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

This is pretty much my ideal team under your rules. Gabriel is one of the strongest SR kamihime in the game right now and she's free from the current event... not even a gacha hime and she's still stronger than most of them.

may i know what's good about Gabriel?

Originally Posted by dreadpin

may i know what's good about Gabriel?

I described the rationale for including her in the team in my entry. While much of the discussion in these forums tends to revolve around individual 'best' characters, team balance is what is ultimately important: the character's contribution in the context of a full team (that is actually achieveable through typical play without spending gold, and isn't just some re-roller's wet dream). That's what I've tried to emphasize in this thread.

Originally Posted by dreadpin

may i know what's good about Gabriel?

Most free Kami you get have only one or two useful skills. For example, Cybele has a really good debuff package, but all her buffs only affect herself, making them unimpressive and not the most useful. Amon has a really strong single target damage spell, and an area protection from debuff ability which is really good, but her third skill (self-boost in burst gauge) is mediocre because usually you're going to hold burst guage until everyone is ready to burst, so something that only boosts Amon's burst gauge really doesn't help anything. Heimdallr, the other kami you got free from raids, has a damage skill and an attack buff, which are middling in usefulness, but her damage immunity only affects her, which is not super important because the only people who 100% need to survive to win raids are your healers.

All of Gabriel's skills are useful, and furthermore she has two useful skills in one package - teamwide attack buff AND teamwide defense buff. Many kami are run specifically because they only have access to one of these, and yet gabe gets both in one package. So she's got effectively 4 powerful skills that are useful in almost every situation, compared to Heimdallr who has 2.

With gabriel, and two other kamihime (in sanahtlig's case, Triton and Andro) you're able to keep full attack/defense buffs up almost the entire fight, which is incredibly powerful. And her other two skills are pretty great too - a def down debuff that does damage, and an ability that speeds up the burst gauge of everybody in your team.

Originally Posted by VortexMagus

Amon has a really strong single target damage spell, and an area protection from debuff ability which is really good, but her third skill (self-boost in burst gauge) is mediocre because usually you're going to hold burst guage until everyone is ready to burst, so something that only boosts Amon's burst gauge really doesn't help anything.

...[Gabriel has] an ability that speeds up the burst gauge of everybody in your team.

Amon's ability is more likely to be useful than Gabriel's. Amon's boosts her Burst Gauge by 15. Since the characters in the lead positions are usually your bottlenecks for Full Bursts, put her in second position and you'll be able to Full Burst more often, especially if your soul is Arthur. Gabriel's boosts the Burst Gauge gain for the entire group by 1.5 per hit for 2 turns (so 3-9, but usually 3-4.5). That's less likely to actually shave a turn off your Burst cycle; it relies on the bottleneck character getting hit for a certain range of damage. Not to mention that spamming a move that may have no effect wastes time on your debuff timers, whereas Amon's move can be used on demand when it's sure to make a difference.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Amon's ability is more likely to be useful than Gabriel's. Amon's boosts her Burst Gauge by 15. Since the characters in the lead positions are usually your bottlenecks for Full Bursts, put her in second position and you'll be able to Full Burst more often, especially if your soul is Arthur. Gabriel's boosts the Burst Gauge gain for the entire group by 1.5 per hit for 2 turns (so 3-9, but usually 3-4.5). That's less likely to actually shave a turn off your Burst cycle; it relies on the bottleneck character getting hit for a certain range of damage. Not to mention that spamming a move that may have no effect wastes time on your debuff timers, whereas Amon's move can be used on demand when it's sure to make a difference.

True, but its only good with arthur or a heroic soul that boosts their own burst charge as well. Furthermore, you still have to wait for your third character to reach 80% gauge and your fourth to reach 70% before you can virtually guarantee a full burst, so even if you pop the burst enhancement on both Arthur and Amon its not always a guarantee you'll hit full burst early.

I'd greatly prefer almost any teamwide skill for this purpose, such as Brynhildr giving double strike or gabriel's +burst to everyone.

If I look at the japanese wiki and all the new ssrs, awakening, 100%-125% Attk up eidolons and new souls like Shingen, I think all the discussion above is senseless

Originally Posted by fucka

If I look at the japanese wiki and all the new ssrs, awakening, 100%-125% Attk up eidolons and new souls like Shingen, I think all the discussion above is senseless

This thread is intended to be a resource for the average player. How likely are you to get most of those perks through normal play, without spending real money or using reroll exploits or having played since day 1?

All gacha games have huge power creep. If they don't, experienced players and whales have very little incentive to buy new units and keep the game developers solvent. If you're willing to play a lot you can mitigate it, though. For example, this game has been fairly generous with its jewels. I have a full water team built already, with a high tier SSR and most of the weapon grid filled with water weapons, and I will have 6k gems for this next event. If I want I could save even more for later events and get higher tier SSR/Eidolons.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

This thread is intended to be a resource for the average player. How likely are you to get most of those perks through normal play, without spending real money or using reroll exploits or having played since day 1?

Regarding Rerolling, actually you just need 1 CORE SSR like sol, amaterasu or ssr amon. (You can get one from others, if you don't insist on having 2 SSR at least. Just ask someone who is rerolling.)
Then you need to save all your jewels for the element you have chosen and play gasha when you get your element chance up.

With the time you will have enough SSR for your element, and you won't give a fuck about those SRs...(a few SRs are really good, but can never replace the godtier SSRs) If you are willing to buy the SSR granted ticket or later "choose what your want SSR ticket", you are able to have a fully optimized SSR team for one element type which is able to clear all lv70 content. You don't need to be a whale for that.

Even if you play 100% f2p, you can have a good SSR team with time and a little luck. If you just waste your jewels for nonsense, you will always be the average player.

It doesn't make any sense to discuss about the average SRs, because soon or later you will max your SR weapons and maybe raid SSR weapons and it doesn't matter which SRs or even Rs kamihime you are using to beat the content, which you are already able to beat.You could leech raid with the worse setup and still get weapons and rewards...at some points you progress for improvement is stopped, because you don't have certain SSRs, which you can get free with rerolling.

The true endgame is much harder than it currently seems to be. If you don't manage to build a team around a godtier SSR right now, you will waste your time.

It's not wrong to discuss about SRs for leveling purpose or simple raids. But if someone is aiming for endgame content without paying a cent, he is misleaded by this thread.

Originally Posted by fucka

It's not wrong to discuss about SRs for leveling purpose or simple raids. But if someone is aiming for endgame content without paying a cent, he is misleaded by this thread.

You seem to have missed the point of this thread--which is to show players how to make do with what they'll get from typical play in the first few months--without exploits, and without buying monopoly money. There's nothing 'misleading' about the thread because it makes no claims at all.