Thread: Competition: Propose the best realistic team

Originally Posted by fucka

If I look at the japanese wiki and all the new ssrs, awakening, 100%-125% Attk up eidolons and new souls like Shingen, I think all the discussion above is senseless

This thread is intended to be a resource for the average player. How likely are you to get most of those perks through normal play, without spending real money or using reroll exploits or having played since day 1?

All gacha games have huge power creep. If they don't, experienced players and whales have very little incentive to buy new units and keep the game developers solvent. If you're willing to play a lot you can mitigate it, though. For example, this game has been fairly generous with its jewels. I have a full water team built already, with a high tier SSR and most of the weapon grid filled with water weapons, and I will have 6k gems for this next event. If I want I could save even more for later events and get higher tier SSR/Eidolons.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

This thread is intended to be a resource for the average player. How likely are you to get most of those perks through normal play, without spending real money or using reroll exploits or having played since day 1?

Regarding Rerolling, actually you just need 1 CORE SSR like sol, amaterasu or ssr amon. (You can get one from others, if you don't insist on having 2 SSR at least. Just ask someone who is rerolling.)
Then you need to save all your jewels for the element you have chosen and play gasha when you get your element chance up.

With the time you will have enough SSR for your element, and you won't give a fuck about those SRs...(a few SRs are really good, but can never replace the godtier SSRs) If you are willing to buy the SSR granted ticket or later "choose what your want SSR ticket", you are able to have a fully optimized SSR team for one element type which is able to clear all lv70 content. You don't need to be a whale for that.

Even if you play 100% f2p, you can have a good SSR team with time and a little luck. If you just waste your jewels for nonsense, you will always be the average player.

It doesn't make any sense to discuss about the average SRs, because soon or later you will max your SR weapons and maybe raid SSR weapons and it doesn't matter which SRs or even Rs kamihime you are using to beat the content, which you are already able to beat.You could leech raid with the worse setup and still get weapons and rewards...at some points you progress for improvement is stopped, because you don't have certain SSRs, which you can get free with rerolling.

The true endgame is much harder than it currently seems to be. If you don't manage to build a team around a godtier SSR right now, you will waste your time.

It's not wrong to discuss about SRs for leveling purpose or simple raids. But if someone is aiming for endgame content without paying a cent, he is misleaded by this thread.

Originally Posted by fucka

It's not wrong to discuss about SRs for leveling purpose or simple raids. But if someone is aiming for endgame content without paying a cent, he is misleaded by this thread.

You seem to have missed the point of this thread--which is to show players how to make do with what they'll get from typical play in the first few months--without exploits, and without buying monopoly money. There's nothing 'misleading' about the thread because it makes no claims at all.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You seem to have missed the point of this thread--which is to show players how to make do with what they'll get from typical play in the first few months--without exploits, and without buying monopoly money. There's nothing 'misleading' about the thread because it makes no claims at all.

I don't miss the point.

You know how many people were fucked on japanese server after 5-6 months grinding raids pushing their weapons max , until they have realised that all the time were wasted, because one SSR was missing, which made the difference?!
They were forced to buy the "choose the SSR you want ticket", if they want to keep the old acc. You couldn't make any further progress cleaning ultimate and Ragnarok contents.
If you really want to play this game reaching high top level without spending a cent, then you need to focus on a single team since beginning.
If you just play for fun and may get bored after few weeks, then you don't really give a fuck about tactics and team setup at all....just choose the harem for fapping.

I guess this thread is for long term players, so I need to point this out, that the SRs would be enough. Don't forget the fact, that good SRs are also gasha only. If u want to get a specific SR, you need to reroll...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't miss the point.

You know how many people were fucked on japanese server after 5-6 months grinding raids pushing their weapons max , until they have realised that all the time were wasted, because one SSR was missing, which made the difference?!
They were forced to buy the "choose the SSR you want ticket", if they want to keep the old acc.

So you're saying a F2P dev made the game harder once people had deeply committed to the game to promote its cash shop?! I never would've expected this from companies like DMM and Nutaku!

...I think we all know that games like this are designed to exploit their players. I do appreciate your insights as a DMM veteran, but I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd in the wrong thread. The sort of message you're pushing belongs in an FAQ thread or something, where it might actually be seen. Or perhaps the reroller/exploits thread, since that's what you're advocating.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

So you're saying a F2P dev made the game harder once people had deeply committed to the game to promote its cash shop?! I never would've expected this from companies like DMM and Nutaku!

...I think we all know that games like this are designed to exploit their players. I do appreciate your insights as a DMM veteran, but I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd in the wrong thread. The sort of message you're pushing belongs in an FAQ thread or something, where it might actually be seen. Or perhaps the reroller/exploits thread, since that's what you're advocating.

Sorry. I'm not veteran. I just started the game 2 weeks ago. This is the first place I came to get some info about the game, so I could get some useful info. I spend some money for the devs to support them, but I'm not a whale who doesn't care about money. I'm always aiming for endgame content or at least being competitive to do the same thing, what all the whales could do.
I don't like the feeling, if I have keep playing a game for months, then I realize, oh, shit, my account is not able to anything at ultimate and ragnarok level or solo advent bosses. Then try the luck get pull specific SSRs from gasha with that little chance?! lol, That's the stupidest thing, you could do.
After reading posts from veteran Asian players (more than 1 year experiences) and gathering details about the game mechanics. I know that my current account is shit, even I have spent more than 100 euro on it. The SSRs I got from the granted tickets aren't worth, but I'm still keep playing this account, because with the miracle ticket, I will still be able to build a decent team for endgame, the only thing is that I need to spend more money. If I start with a better account, I don't need spend money (or just a little) and can reach the same goal.
That is a failure what I did, so I'm telling others: You can be prepared for future content right now!

Tell me what's the sense discuss about SRs, which won't help you to clear any hard contents. At the end there was only one tip useful: It doesn't matter, which SRs you are using, just upgrade the weapons and everything is fine.
There are 2 parts of the this game.
1 Part: You can do it, once your SR weapons are maxed. For this part, you don't need team-setup.
2 Part: You need specific SSR, otherwise no chance. You could keep farm your SR or SSR weapons, but you won't get better. then you may think, oh, I should start the game with some better advices.

So i take my time and translate and share all details and game mechanics which I got from Chinese and Japanese sources. Those guys are usual players too, they have just 1 year experience with this game.

I don't know really know what's your problem. Are you sort of Nutaku employees or what?

My only purpose is nothing else than helping people to have maximum of fun ingame without digging deep into the pocket.

I'm not a veteran, I'm not a whale, I'm not promoter of DMM, I just an usual player.

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Originally Posted by sanahtlig

So you're saying a F2P dev made the game harder once people had deeply committed to the game to promote its cash shop?! I never would've expected this from companies like DMM and Nutaku!

...I think we all know that games like this are designed to exploit their players. I do appreciate your insights as a DMM veteran, but I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd in the wrong thread. The sort of message you're pushing belongs in an FAQ thread or something, where it might actually be seen. Or perhaps the reroller/exploits thread, since that's what you're advocating.

Sorry. I'm not veteran. I just started the game 2 weeks ago. This is the first place I came to get some info about the game, so I could get some useful info. I spend some money for the devs to support them, but I'm not a whale who doesn't care about money. I'm always aiming for endgame content or at least being competitive to do the same thing, what all the whales could do.
I don't like the feeling, if I have keep playing a game for months, then I realize, oh, shit, my account is not able to anything at ultimate and ragnarok level or solo advent bosses. Then try the luck get pull specific SSRs from gasha with that little chance?! lol, That's the stupidest thing, you could do.
After reading posts from veteran Asian players (more than 1 year experiences) and gathering details about the game mechanics. I know that my current account is shit, even I have spent more than 100 euro on it. The SSRs I got from the granted tickets aren't worth, but I'm still keep playing this account, because with the miracle ticket, I will still be able to build a decent team for endgame, the only thing is that I need to spend more money. If I start with a better account, I don't need spend money (or just a little) and can reach the same goal.
That is a failure what I did, so I'm telling others: You can be prepared for future content right now!

Tell me what's the sense discuss about SRs, which won't help you to clear any hard contents. At the end there was only one tip useful: It doesn't matter, which SRs you are using, just upgrade the weapons and everything is fine.
There are 2 parts of the this game.
1 Part: You can do it, once your SR weapons are maxed. For this part, you don't need team-setup.
2 Part: You need specific SSR, otherwise no chance. You could keep farm your SR or SSR weapons, but you won't get better. then you may think, oh, I should start the game with some better advices.

So i take my time and translate and share all details and game mechanics which I got from Chinese and Japanese sources. Those guys are usual players too, they have just 1 year experience with this game.

I don't know really know what's your problem. Are you sort of Nutaku employees or what?

My only purpose is nothing else than helping people to have maximum of fun ingame without digging deep into the pocket.

I'm not a veteran, I'm not a whale, I'm not promoter of DMM, I just an usual player.

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Originally Posted by sanahtlig

... but I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd in the wrong thread. The sort of message you're pushing belongs in an FAQ thread or something, where it might actually be seen. Or perhaps the reroller/exploits thread, since that's what you're advocating.

I'm talking to the wrong people?
I have to remind you. This thread is called "Competition: Propose the best realistic team", not "Propose the best free SRs team".

Offtopic closed- Please discuss further how to build a team around Baal and co.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Tell me what's the sense discuss about SRs, which won't help you to clear any hard contents.

The basic premise of the thread was "a set of teams you could build in 10 random rolls of the Jewel Gatcha without spending money or using a reroll exploit". You're leaping to all sorts of conclusions about the purpose or message.

I don't know really know what's your problem. Are you sort of Nutaku employees or what?

You're posting in my thread about how my thread is pointless / misleading. What sort of response did you expect? If you want to talk about the value of rerolling, go talk about it where it'll be seen and appreciated, not in my thread targeting users who aren't interested in endless rerolling or paying to win!