Thread: Competition: Propose the best realistic team

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Amon's ability is more likely to be useful than Gabriel's. Amon's boosts her Burst Gauge by 15. Since the characters in the lead positions are usually your bottlenecks for Full Bursts, put her in second position and you'll be able to Full Burst more often, especially if your soul is Arthur. Gabriel's boosts the Burst Gauge gain for the entire group by 1.5 per hit for 2 turns (so 3-9, but usually 3-4.5). That's less likely to actually shave a turn off your Burst cycle; it relies on the bottleneck character getting hit for a certain range of damage. Not to mention that spamming a move that may have no effect wastes time on your debuff timers, whereas Amon's move can be used on demand when it's sure to make a difference.

True, but its only good with arthur or a heroic soul that boosts their own burst charge as well. Furthermore, you still have to wait for your third character to reach 80% gauge and your fourth to reach 70% before you can virtually guarantee a full burst, so even if you pop the burst enhancement on both Arthur and Amon its not always a guarantee you'll hit full burst early.

I'd greatly prefer almost any teamwide skill for this purpose, such as Brynhildr giving double strike or gabriel's +burst to everyone.

If I look at the japanese wiki and all the new ssrs, awakening, 100%-125% Attk up eidolons and new souls like Shingen, I think all the discussion above is senseless

Originally Posted by fucka

If I look at the japanese wiki and all the new ssrs, awakening, 100%-125% Attk up eidolons and new souls like Shingen, I think all the discussion above is senseless

This thread is intended to be a resource for the average player. How likely are you to get most of those perks through normal play, without spending real money or using reroll exploits or having played since day 1?

All gacha games have huge power creep. If they don't, experienced players and whales have very little incentive to buy new units and keep the game developers solvent. If you're willing to play a lot you can mitigate it, though. For example, this game has been fairly generous with its jewels. I have a full water team built already, with a high tier SSR and most of the weapon grid filled with water weapons, and I will have 6k gems for this next event. If I want I could save even more for later events and get higher tier SSR/Eidolons.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

This thread is intended to be a resource for the average player. How likely are you to get most of those perks through normal play, without spending real money or using reroll exploits or having played since day 1?

Regarding Rerolling, actually you just need 1 CORE SSR like sol, amaterasu or ssr amon. (You can get one from others, if you don't insist on having 2 SSR at least. Just ask someone who is rerolling.)
Then you need to save all your jewels for the element you have chosen and play gasha when you get your element chance up.

With the time you will have enough SSR for your element, and you won't give a fuck about those SRs...(a few SRs are really good, but can never replace the godtier SSRs) If you are willing to buy the SSR granted ticket or later "choose what your want SSR ticket", you are able to have a fully optimized SSR team for one element type which is able to clear all lv70 content. You don't need to be a whale for that.

Even if you play 100% f2p, you can have a good SSR team with time and a little luck. If you just waste your jewels for nonsense, you will always be the average player.

It doesn't make any sense to discuss about the average SRs, because soon or later you will max your SR weapons and maybe raid SSR weapons and it doesn't matter which SRs or even Rs kamihime you are using to beat the content, which you are already able to beat.You could leech raid with the worse setup and still get weapons and rewards...at some points you progress for improvement is stopped, because you don't have certain SSRs, which you can get free with rerolling.

The true endgame is much harder than it currently seems to be. If you don't manage to build a team around a godtier SSR right now, you will waste your time.

It's not wrong to discuss about SRs for leveling purpose or simple raids. But if someone is aiming for endgame content without paying a cent, he is misleaded by this thread.

Originally Posted by fucka

It's not wrong to discuss about SRs for leveling purpose or simple raids. But if someone is aiming for endgame content without paying a cent, he is misleaded by this thread.

You seem to have missed the point of this thread--which is to show players how to make do with what they'll get from typical play in the first few months--without exploits, and without buying monopoly money. There's nothing 'misleading' about the thread because it makes no claims at all.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You seem to have missed the point of this thread--which is to show players how to make do with what they'll get from typical play in the first few months--without exploits, and without buying monopoly money. There's nothing 'misleading' about the thread because it makes no claims at all.

I don't miss the point.

You know how many people were fucked on japanese server after 5-6 months grinding raids pushing their weapons max , until they have realised that all the time were wasted, because one SSR was missing, which made the difference?!
They were forced to buy the "choose the SSR you want ticket", if they want to keep the old acc. You couldn't make any further progress cleaning ultimate and Ragnarok contents.
If you really want to play this game reaching high top level without spending a cent, then you need to focus on a single team since beginning.
If you just play for fun and may get bored after few weeks, then you don't really give a fuck about tactics and team setup at all....just choose the harem for fapping.

I guess this thread is for long term players, so I need to point this out, that the SRs would be enough. Don't forget the fact, that good SRs are also gasha only. If u want to get a specific SR, you need to reroll...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't miss the point.

You know how many people were fucked on japanese server after 5-6 months grinding raids pushing their weapons max , until they have realised that all the time were wasted, because one SSR was missing, which made the difference?!
They were forced to buy the "choose the SSR you want ticket", if they want to keep the old acc.

So you're saying a F2P dev made the game harder once people had deeply committed to the game to promote its cash shop?! I never would've expected this from companies like DMM and Nutaku!

...I think we all know that games like this are designed to exploit their players. I do appreciate your insights as a DMM veteran, but I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd in the wrong thread. The sort of message you're pushing belongs in an FAQ thread or something, where it might actually be seen. Or perhaps the reroller/exploits thread, since that's what you're advocating.