Thread: [Event 14] Crucible of Combat vs The Demon Pride Union Event

Originally Posted by OtherGuy02

What kind of effect do people think the grails give per one used? As its a max 100 I'm assuming 1 = 1% increase or something like that?
Just thinking due to being the only one in my union I'm having to solo this so don't have tons of grails to throw about so is it even worth throwing away say 5-7 into 4 stats each day or would it be better to save them for nearer the end then just use them all in the last few days to super-power through late level experts or ultimates when they become too difficult to handle without increases.

To be truthful, I don't think 5~7 grails in 4 stats is gonna help you much.

According to the JP wiki, the buff values are
Atk↑ = +1% each, +100% at Lv100
Burst Dmg↑ = +1.5% each, +150% at Lv100.
HP↑ = +1% each, +100% at Lv100
Heal↑ = +1.5% each, +150% at Lv100
No listed values for double and triple attack rates nor affliction success/resist.

Had double and triple attack at 100 yesterday but didn't recall if it was 100% or not, didn't pay attention to that detail but it was pretty dang often. Though it's most likely better to get only one of the two, since they do not affect each other and actually clash with each, unless there's a priority system with the 2.

Hmm, does the wiki say anything about the burst damage buff being a multiplier, or added to each individual kamihime's burst multiplier? As the latter makes it way worse than I originally thought.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hmm, does the wiki say anything about the burst damage buff being a multiplier, or added to each individual kamihime's burst multiplier? As the latter makes it way worse than I originally thought.

Wiki says

バーストダメージアップ　Lv1毎に+1.5% (バースト倍率に加算)　例：バフLv100� ��SSR神姫のバースト倍率が5倍(500%)か� �6.5倍(650%)に

Google translates to
Burst Damage Increment + 1.5% per Lv 1 (Add to Burst Magnification) Example: SSF Shinki burst magnification increases from 5 times (500%) to 6.5 times (650%) with buff Lv 100
(Not sure why google translates SSR to SSF but the original Japanese text says SSR. Shinki = himes)

And after checking my own fight, I can say that 100 into double attack rate is not 100% double attack rate.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Wiki says

バーストダメージアップ　Lv1毎に+1.5% (バースト倍率に加算)　例：バフLv100� ��SSR神姫のバースト倍率が5倍(500%)か� �6.5倍(650%)に

Google translates to
Burst Damage Increment + 1.5% per Lv 1 (Add to Burst Magnification) Example: SSF Shinki burst magnification increases from 5 times (500%) to 6.5 times (650%) with buff Lv 100
(Not sure why google translates SSR to SSF but the original Japanese text says SSR)

What this means is that for an SSR and a Burst buff at 100 stacks, Burst damage increases by 25%. But Burst damage is only a fraction of your sustained damage, usually less than half, so divide by 2.5. So the Burst buff increases your team's sustained DPS by about 10%. Meanwhile double attack/triple attack not only increase your sustained DPS, they also allow you to Burst more often, so I can definitely see how those would be preferable.

Yea, the burst boost was rather disappointing. Thinking +150% to total burst damage was too much of wishful thinking. Going from 1mil to 2.5mil burst damage would be broken. Though I'm thinking it still fits in for best combination for grails still uses it. Maybe:
100 atk
100 hp
100 burst
100 triple atk

Kinda wish they gave us the values for triple and double attack. I mean I can't really see any reason to get double over triple, unless triple has a smaller increase rate compared to double.

Well, +burst is still useful for a union whose strategy is people jumping in during burst time, unleash their burst, and don't care what happens afterwards.

...but for the union I'm in, now I'm strongly leaning towards double atk or triple atk over burst.

Double atk does have a higher base rate compared to triple, so if the bonus is multiplying by their base rates (as opposed to adding some flat bonus), then maybe +double is a lower ceiling/higher floor type choice?

Ah, that's probably a good way to look at it.

We had both at 100 (with atk and hp) yesterday for my union and it helps a lot with juggling ultimate back and forth between stun and rage. If you're soloing and know what you're doing, it helps a ton with stalling overdrive.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Kinda wish they gave us the values for triple and double attack. I mean I can't really see any reason to get double over triple, unless triple has a smaller increase rate compared to double.

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Not sure how the buffs modify that.

just checked the page of lilim's event and the requirement to collect all the rewards is different.
i guess it's the requirement for the next one when lilim and her weapon are available as a reward, but it'll take a loooong time for it -_-