Thread: Which Kamis to go for with Miracle Tickets?

Might aswell just ask ahead to be safe.

Planning to go full blown dark team, since i have neither time nor patients to invest into several teams at once.
So far i have Satan and Sol as SSR, and Nyarla and belze as sr in the team.

My current plan is to save up all my jewels and tickets for when dark amaterasu comes up, and use the miracle ticket to get hades.
Is there a better choice than hades right now for the ticket, or should i just go ahead?

Originally Posted by LeCrestfallen

Planning to go full blown dark team, since i have neither time nor patients to invest into several teams at once.

That's a poor premise. It's quite easy to build a secondary team that's very effective against its strong element with relatively little dedication of time or resources. And if you don't want to do even that, missing out on 1/6 of content is inconsequential, since you're probably ignoring another 4/6 anyway.

So basically unless I draw Diana, Amaterasu is the safest/most powerfull option, giving me the B-frame debuffs. If I draw Diana I can go Raph istead and use Sniper Shot to get the B-frame. Correct?

Originally Posted by MrAir

need some help.
now i have gaia, odin, raiko, shiva, sol.

when we fight vs. weak element we have higher affliction chances. I m farming sphinx ragna using wind, and even with VoF i got decent sniper shot miss rate (if one of debuffs misses i count it as miss).
so i have q.
1. Ama's B frame got same chances as sniper shot or higher? Can i use her as universal unit? Cuz if her B frame chances are same, then most likely it won't work well, but mb cuz her skill solo target then chances are higher? Did someone tried to use her as universal unit, what u can say about her b frame debuff's chances with/w0 VoF?

2. I heard that cthulhu got quite high C frame miss rate. Did someone tried to use her as universal? How often she misses vs. non-weak element with/w0 VoF?

3. Who have both this units, did you tested them vs. non weak elements? Ama's B frame got better success rate (both atk and def, if one of them missed then it's just miss) or Cthulhu's C frame?

If chances with VoF are rly good, then ill buy both of them, but i need to decide which i need to get first.

Seeing as how you have Sol, mixing up your team element composition too much may not be the best idea. Sol is already a better unit to use over both Amaterasu and Cthulu, unless in a team of their own element. You're better off sticking with Sniper Shot + Sol, but if you really wanted, Amaterasu would provide you more use in comparison to Cthulu.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Light is relatively weak even with an optimal build. That's why I'm telling you not to go all-in unless that's your only option. If you can go Fire just as easily, you should. You'll have a stronger team in the long run.

All but maybe thunder, as of right now, are perfectly viable teams. People don't need to be so fixated on the idea of min/maxing, not that you need to for this game, it's not as difficult as some make it seem.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

All but maybe thunder, as of right now, are perfectly viable teams. People don't need to be so fixated on the idea of min/maxing, not that you need to for this game, it's not as difficult as some make it seem.

If you're not fixated on min/maxing, why is Thunder not usable but Light is?

Well... I guess the RNG gods chose for me...

Originally Posted by Slashley

If you're not fixated on min/maxing, why is Thunder not usable but Light is?

If I had to guess, I would say it's maybe because thunder is lacking general utilities that's easier to get from other elements or because thunder is heavily reliant on its SSRs himes. I recall someone saying Thunder is the 'expensive team'.

Originally Posted by Lizrake

Well... I guess the RNG gods chose for me...

Not sure what this has to do with the topic.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

If I had to guess, I would say it's maybe because thunder is lacking general utilities that's easier to get from other elements or--

Ah, but that's the point. Since that's exactly min/maxing.

As for SSRs, hmm. Hard to say. There's a couple of decent SRs for Thunder, but generally no element will do "well" without at least one SR. Dark will probably be best off if we get Koihime, since Nyarl-LuBu will have -30% Atk Def covered. And then there's Beelz, the queen of SRs.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

If I had to guess, I would say it's maybe because thunder is lacking general utilities that's easier to get from other elements or because thunder is heavily reliant on its SSRs himes. I recall someone saying Thunder is the 'expensive team'.

Thunder is lacking core debuffs, especially right now. Look at Slashley's team from the video he just posted. He has a pretty good team, yet he's still only fielding -25% ATK and -30% DEF, and he's relying on Mordred's -10% class B debuff. On top of that, he has no healing, so if that Ragnarok boss came at the end of a series of trash and no healing potions dropped, he'd be in serious trouble. Thunder has to compensate for this fragility with overwhelming damage, enough to end the fight quickly before attrition sets in. That means it won't do well without multiple high-powered SSRs in content that's harder than Advent Ragnaroks. SRs just won't cut it, especially for Burst damage.

Light is fine for now (so long as you have Diana or Amaterasu), as it has some good SRs that can fill essential utility skills that players would otherwise need the EX slot / Soul for. But Light isn't going to scale very well when more difficult content comes along, especially prior to the 2nd Miracle ticket and Sol's Awakening. Accessory Quests are coming soon (probably in the next month), so you'll get a chance to see for yourself. IMO, relying on Sniper Shot being slotted at all times is a pretty fundamental weakness. That goes for Thunder too.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

That's a poor premise. It's quite easy to build a secondary team that's very effective against its strong element with relatively little dedication of time or resources. And if you don't want to do even that, missing out on 1/6 of content is inconsequential, since you're probably ignoring another 4/6 anyway.

not really, i am getting all the stuff for the other elements, but i can't focus on them like on my main team. i do have two other elements in work, one is light to support my dark main. With dark i am save against almost anything, so no biggie.