Thread: DMM Kamihime Project: SSR Awakening Predictions

Originally Posted by Ikki

Baal gives you the resist down, so considering what you are saying, all the teams that dont run mord for vof are suboptimal cause they have higher chance of failing debuffs

That's a logical fallacy of inference. I'll let you puzzle out where the error in your reasoning is.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

That's a logical fallacy. I'll let you puzzle out where the error in your reasoning is.

Im fine with my teams, dunno if your builds kill AQ final boss in 4 turns, cause my teams do, you just contradict yourself saying that aphro in thunder is for whales and then saying that your "builds" rely on the outcomes of miracle tickets (those arent free btw, so your builds are whale oriented too (?) damn the reasoning), just keep relying on mord and doing suboptimal dmg.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Im fine with my teams, dunno if your builds kill AQ final boss in 4 turns, cause my teams do, you just contradict yourself saying that aphro in thunder is for whales and then saying that your "builds" rely on the outcomes of miracle tickets (those arent free btw, so your builds are whale oriented too (?) damn the reasoning), just keep relying on mord and doing suboptimal dmg.

I'm not sure why you're incapable of arguing without relying on logical fallacies. If you want to have an actual discussion rather than a verbal slugging match, try listening to what others have to say rather than blindly punching strawmen. If at some point you do become interested in what I have to say, I'll be around.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'm not sure why you're incapable of arguing without relying on logical fallacies. If you want to have an actual discussion rather than a verbal slugging match, try listening to what others have to say rather than blindly punching strawmen. If at some point you do become interested in what I have to say, I'll be around.

"Your build has a limited kamihime in it, which means it'll only work for whales." then "I want to see how Nutaku handles the 2nd Miracle ticket. That'll give some insight into where the cutoffs will be for later Miracle tickets, which is important for build planning" ok? so limited khs in a team -> whale, buying miracle tickets for team planning -> non whale, got it, amazing reasoning btw.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Im fine with my teams, dunno if your builds kill AQ final boss in 4 turns, cause my teams do, you just contradict yourself saying that aphro in thunder is for whales and then saying that your "builds" rely on the outcomes of miracle tickets (those arent free btw, so your builds are whale oriented too (?) damn the reasoning), just keep relying on mord and doing suboptimal dmg.

Calm down you 3D pussy slaying beta weeaboo, for beginners the team of your banner is a shit fest, I'd argue that you must use a pot to clear stage 4, what are you boasting about? DMM? Go back there then I mean, you aren't smart enough to come down to your own conclusions and have to ask people there anyways.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Calm down you 3D pussy slaying beta weeaboo, for beginners the team of your banner is a shit fest, I'd argue that you must use a pot to clear stage 4, what are you boasting about? DMM? Go back there then I mean, you aren't smart enough to come down to your own conclusions and have to ask people there anyways.

Oh look a random attacks, up to you to believe it or not, i as well as many nutaku veterans clear AQ 4 without any issues (something you may struggle i think? im sorry if you do), if by pot you mean elixir, no, i dont even heal myself during those runs cause as i said last boss dies in 4 turns, maybe you arent used to actually deal dmg, but anyways i just said that i would ask the dmm players as sarcasm, cause of course most teams dont even bother with mord cause her soul weapon is literally garbage, meanwhile morgan, shingen and hercules are op af.

Before this is getting more stupid.

The logic fallacy that was mentioned was the fact, that you won't run mordred (or any other soul) with VoF to increase the chance of debuffs working.
IF baal's ele weakness debuff misses, this means all the other debuffs afterwards have also a high chance of missing. You literally treatet it as if the ele down debuff was already applied. Anything that came afterwards was pointless. Its a risky gamble that might very well screw your chance to clear hard content in this very moment.


Well doesn't matter to me, i don't like thunder, i won't go thunder. Not my problem.

Originally Posted by LeCrestfallen

Before this is getting more stupid.

The logic failure that was mentioned was the fact, that you won't run mordred (or any other soul) with VoF to increase the chance of debuffs working.
IF baal's ele weakness debuff misses, this means all the other debuffs afterwards have also a high chance of missing. You literally treatet it as if the ele down debuff was already applied. Anything that came afterwards was pointless. Its a risky gamble that might very well screw your chance to clear hard content in this very moment.


Well doesn't matter to me, i don't like thunder, i won't go thunder. Not my problem.

Then why even run debuffs? they all can miss, its a stupid statement whoever you look at it, thats why i treated it as such "hurr durr but if this debuff misses this other debuff can miss too", no matter how you look at it its completely dumb cause all teams run debuffs and all of them can miss outside union events.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Then why even run debuffs? they all can miss, its a stupid statement whoever you look at it, thats why i treated it as such "hurr durr but if this debuff misses this other debuff can miss too", no matter how you look at it its completely dumb cause all teams run debuffs and all of them can miss outside union events.

Did you actually read what sanahtlig wrote?

Yes debuffs can miss, that happens. Part of the game. Nothing is absolute.
The problem is, the HEAVY relience on this one single debuff. If this one single debuff misses, all your damage collapses, a high risk of your following debuffs not applying, and worst case ending the run in this very moment. This is a very real concern, which you simply treatet as not a big deal.

It is an extremely risky gamble to take. Its not so bad if you have several sources of def down/atk down, or your grid is strong enough to bulldoze through despite missing debuffs, but thats not an option for everyone.

Well, not my problem, feel free to discuss this between yourselfes.

Originally Posted by Saberborn

I guess this depends on what you define as a whale, but limited are for only whales? Okay, maybe what I'm going to suggest is a bit out there but my plan to get thunder Aphrodite and/or Dark Amaterasu next December/January by just saving all my jewels (at 20K now.... maybe 120K by then). I figure if I pay a bit here and there and am patient I should be able to pick up what I need. Buying all the SSR guaranteed tickets and all miracle tickets (so maybe I'm a whale?). That way I don't need to whale for any of the limited girls... That said, since I'm willing to pay in this game and willing to save jewels that long if I do happen to fail maybe I would just end up whaling in the end... lol.

yeah saying that limited edition is only for whales was not really accurate. You can get those with luck or just simply saving up for them beforehand. i agree on that one.
But there are a lot of "whales" out there that threw hundreds, if not even thousand of dollars into those gachas to get those limited himes.

I'm not sure why I'm still discussing this, but since there's at least one reasonable person still participating:
An inference to other situations, based on one situation, holds only when the premises of that situation are satisfied by other situations. In other words: apples and oranges. In this case, Thunder--and this Thunder build in particular--has unique strengths and weaknesses. In my builds, I try to push essential debuffs onto kamihime, whose abilities tend to have higher accuracy rate (especially SSR kamihime with accessories) than Soul debuffs; this Thunder build relies on a Soul debuff. Other builds can also reliably make use of Sphinx (after the 9T CD), whereas this particular Thunder build cannot. Elemental advantage builds can land debuffs reliably even without additional help; this build relies on limited kamihime, so one can presume that this wouldn't be used as part of a typical elemental advantage build.

But this is all rather moot because people that treat discussions as slugging matches aren't actually interested in what others have to say, but rather why they're right and others are wrong. That's why I don't have much interest in continuing to respond to his strawmen arguments.