Thread: Mono vs. Rainbow Grid

Originally Posted by BakaHentai

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First, I need to point out something all players seem to go braindead about when it comes to this topic. Rainbow is not an endgame build. A player who knows what they are doing with rainbow has no plans whatsoever to stay rainbow for long. The argument for--or against it--has nothing to do with that. The goal for both SR mono and rainbow builds is to aim for an endgame grid of Mono SSRs.

So you're saying that after playing the game for three years, rainbow is good?
Well, isn't that nice. Of course, you could've had more power 2.5 years ago.

Originally Posted by BakaHentai

--I'm not saying Mono SR grids are bad, but in terms of efficiency, rainbow is the way to go. Without question. However, if you prefer some extra damage you don't really need, then by all means go Mono SR. --

Your "efficiency" is wasting tons of resources over the years, just so that you don't "waste" some on non-SSR weapons which will stay nearly forever in your grid. You don't actually gain anything.


Also, why do those advantages only apply to a rainbowgrid? If survival is required, a monogrid user can just swap to rainbow and oh look. It's pretty much the exact same thing as what a rainbowgrid user would have for that specific Element. Because the difference between 49% and 56% is not very huge (as Character attack Eidolons count towards Assault), a monogrid user will almost be on equal footing in the rare cases where you actually need the damage reduction. Whileas the reverse is never true for rainbowgrid users - they can't just swap to mono and have the damage output.

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Also, a good rainbow grid doesn't do as little damage as some players seem to think.

Here's my suicide, rainbow thunder team in action "youtube" /watch?v=i3q5zoTFPBM&t=

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"If survival is required, a monogrid user can just swap to rainbow and oh look."

I like how this is always a guaranteed response from any player I discuss this with, as if for some reason they think a mono users rainbow grid would be just as strong as a player who solely puts all of their efforts in their SSR SL. And 3 years? What are you even saying? It hasn't even been a year yet and most of my grids have an average of 4 mono SSR weapons (from events).

Full assault would take longer of course, but if a rainbow user really wanted more damage that badly, they could always whale or just snag one of the better SR assaults from events.

Well, element advantage is really more relevant in the first of the two decision points.

The first decision point is:
Focus on developing 1 primary/1 secondary team (should be the quickest to reach its ceiling)
OR
Rotate elements to match the event

If you pick the former, then rainbow isn't even a thing to think about.

If you pick the latter, the next decision to make is:
Work on only SSR weapons; work with the rainbow grid as you collect more SSRs over the longterm
OR
You work on SR weapons too to get closer to monogrids for each element while waiting for SSRs

The latter here, of course, takes a lot more investment/time.
The interesting question here though, is assuming lower levels of investment (particularly, skill level-wise). Because of how the exp curve and the skill point curve look, and how the gains from weapon levels and skill levels are linear, what you gain versus how much you invest is frontloaded.
While maxing out SSR weapons is the endgoal regardless of how you get there, how you go about in the early stages can be interesting. Instead of going straight into your SSR weapons, you could instead focus on the frontloaded gains and spread resources around on SR weapons to a degree. That pushes back your lategame, but I think that you'll be quicker to reach the power level floor where you can consistently get the missable stuff from events. (namely, ult farming in advents) Once there, you can then decide on whether to continue to spread the resources around, or head into pure SSR developing.

Gotta love when people discuss for days over a subject that's obvious or has already been stated previously

Originally Posted by Neverbloom

Gotta love when people discuss for days over a subject that's obvious or has already been stated previously

Gotta love it when some people just want attention.

Originally Posted by BakaHentai

I like how this is always a guaranteed response from any player I discuss this with, as if for some reason they think a mono users rainbow grid would be just as strong as a player who solely puts all of their efforts in their SSR SL.

That's because they are. More on that in a bit.

Originally Posted by BakaHentai

And 3 years? What are you even saying? It hasn't even been a year yet and most of my grids have an average of 4 mono SSR weapons (from events).

Of course you have 4 per element. Let's see now, counting double skills and Pride weapons as Assault:
Fire: 3 Assault, 2 Defender
Water: 2 Assault, 1 Defender
Wind: 2 Assault, 2 Defender
Thunder: 2 Assault, 3 Defender
Darkness: 3 Assault, 2 Defender
Light: 2 Assault

(5 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 5 + 2)/6 = 4 per element. Out of which half is Defender weapons. Three years is what it'll take before you'll be at a good spot for every Element as a rainbowgrid user.

So you have about four SSRs per Element. And? I've been playing since Crom's Crotch, so I've missed out on several SSR weapons. Yet, my Water monogrid is at 94%. Even if you had focused solely on SSRs and gotten ALL your SSRs to slvl20, my Water still is... 94-16-16-23... 39% ahead of your Water. Ignoring Light, my worst element Wind is at 73%, which is still 9% above your current maximum! When counting Pride as 16% that is, which isn't technically correct, but saying that it's 10% doesn't do the amazing Pride weapons justice. Anyway, at this point, your rainbow team MIGHT actually be better than my Wind, just because I've largely ignored investing in mine.

I've been playing the game for seven months, which is obviously months less than you have. And I seem to be losing in one Element, absolutely CRUSHING you in one, and doing slightly better than you in three? If we include Light, we can say losing in two Elements, but Light has had a whopping two events so far. Has anyone invested in Light? Maybe some who have pulled several Light SSRs, I guess. Anyway.

Where is your advantage again...?