Thread: Mono vs. Rainbow Grid

Well that's nice. But that doesn't change the fact that monogrids are by far superior to rainbows.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Well that's nice. But that doesn't change the fact that monogrids are by far superior to rainbows.

Actually i see more people around that using rainbow more succesful to clear ragna quicker than monogrid but if your argument is number well big number mean nothing if cant kill ragna without elemental advantage. monogrid has weak stats and hp against off element ragna will insta kill esp with no SSR himes.

I actually dont like to debate using just a perception like this as its will yield no conclusion.
So i'm going to say about weakness of using monogrid.
I. it will much lower base hp esp if you use hp eido and the difference usually significantly big
2. Not using elemental advantage the debuff hardly stick make the ragna battle very risky.
3. incoming damage also bigger and when your base hp is low you cant sustain the health.
4. Too much focusing on one elemental will screw you when facing its weakness element.
5. You wont last long in union event using neutral element let alone its weakness because most the time you dont have much element to choose or hime to choose as you mostly too busy farming raids for weapon than farming fang or other limit break items for other element. so you most the time left with only one team to choose nothing else.
6. When SSR arrive your SR will become obsolete and it mean you waste all effort to grid it
7. Your bonus stat cannot be focused in one weapon and become scarce you cant maximize the bonus status from gacha you get
I wont debate it cuz i also lack solid data for comparation also busy too, just helping to shed the light

Originally Posted by TNinja

I actually dont like to debate using just a perception like this as its will yield no conclusion.
So i'm going to say about weakness of using monogrid.
I. it will much lower base hp esp if you use hp eido and the difference usually significantly big
2. Not using elemental advantage the debuff hardly stick make the ragna battle very risky.
3. incoming damage also bigger and when your base hp is low you cant sustain the health.
4. Too much focusing on one elemental will screw you when facing its weakness element.
5. You wont last long in union event using neutral element let alone its weakness because most the time you dont have much element to choose or hime to choose as you mostly too busy farming raids for weapon than farming fang or other limit break items for other element. so you most the time left with only one team to choose nothing else.
6. When SSR arrive your SR will become obsolete and it mean you waste all effort to grid it
7. Your bonus stat cannot be focused in one weapon and become scarce you cant maximize the bonus status from gacha you get
I wont debate it cuz i also lack solid data for comparation also busy too, just helping to shed the light

Most of your points make no sense or are completely wrong.

1. If you're using a mixed grid, you're losing several weapon buffs. A decently leveled defender weapon or two of your team's element can easily make up the difference for using a mono grid of SSR and SR weapons.

2. Debuff's success rate is not as big of an issue that you're making it and can be taken care of with Mordred and several other ways.

3. #1.

4. Who does that? Any decent player will have a back up party to deal with weakness element and if you're using dark or light, you don't have this problem to begin with. People who've played long enough will have a decently leveled grid for every element and can still easily prioritize one or two over the rest.

5. Union events aren't solo, they're team based and again, you're over exaggerating another simple matter of farming/doing your dailies for break limit materials. The only time break limit materials is an issue is if you just started playing. It doesn't take long to where you'll eventually get to the point you have so much extra you won't have anything to use them on.

6. Using low level gear while working up to high level gear is the staple gameplay of any RPG game. If it helped you clear an event, then in no way it was a waste as it helped you progress. You're not just going to magically get a full SSR grid out of no where nor are you going to be able to successfully farm a max break weapon using nothing. You need to build from scratch and starting off the game you use R and SR weapons.

7. No idea what you're talking about.

Answer to Sanahtlig

There is no conclusion to the analysis in regards what should be better to use. This was supposed to present a comparison for monogrid vs rainbow grid as the title says. The point of it is to present actual values given an actual grid. So basically wanted to make an analysis that doesn't talk in just general about the question, but shows you data.
It seems that you guyz are really focusing on the SL10 part, while the advanced monogrid(SL20) is also part of the calculation. It seems like my idea of keeping a lower monogrid of each element which would be the SL10 isn't to your liking. But that doesn't mean that it is talking about the actual one-way monogrid, and I think that was made pretty clear since there is a whole part calculating with that grid seperately as well.
As the results show, none of the choices are significantly better than the rest in terms of grid at the current stage. And the current stage should be a pretty advanced one, since we are talking about 6 months spam of time.
Also since I haven't taken into consideration the team setup, I can't conclude which to choose, either since that's not the point of the analysis. There are also great guides already made by you on that subject, so I didn't feel the need to discuss that... and my analysis is already a lengthy one even without that.

If there was a conclusion to this, it's that none of the choices is the "correct" one which I thought important to point out as I have mostly seen people being biased on one of the choices. Rainbow grid is also a way to do things: the lazy way. You will reach high enough output rather fast in exchange for a slower progress later on while building monogrids for each element takes time. And building a single monogrid would be around the same cost as building rainbow grid since you will have to keep a sub-element as well for countering the elemental disadvantage of your single monogrid. It will outperform rainbow grid on elemental advantage, that's certainly true, but you will lose that most of the time while rainbow grid will maintain it due to its flexibility. In that case their dmg output seems to be around the same in the analysis. While you would have the right debuffs on your monogrid team, you would lose lowered dmg incoming from enemies, the higher stickrate for debuffs and a higher HP.

And it seems I should make it clear that I myself am using a monogrid team, but the topic picked my interest and as I was investigating the matter, I found myself doing something that might be worth posting.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Unless I'm reading it wrong, why is the mono grid only given sl10 weapon while the other is given sl20 weapons? Shoudnt you compare both grids using the same skill levels weapons?

That was already asked by Sanahtlig as well, and it's also discussed in the introduction part, and I made a calculation on SL20 case as well.
Answering your question, the point is that rainbow grid needs lower resources to maintain while if you want to build monogrid while still aiming for utilizing elemental advantage, you would need to build a monogrid for all element which results in a much higher cost, hence the lowered skill levels.

Originally Posted by nonsensei

Rainbow grid is also a way to do things: the lazy way.

It's not though. With a rainbow grid strategy, you need to do all the events to farm all the SSRs for every element. Meanwhile the mono-grid player can farm a single element and not miss much. Elemental weakness isn't much of an issue since a mono-grid player doesn't really need much from any element other than their own anyway. Also, a maxed mono-grid team can clear Ultimates of their elemental weakness if needed; it's just Ragnaroks that are the problem. Yet clearing the extra 1/6 of Ragnaroks doesn't provide much benefit either, so that can be skipped too. Same with Ragnarok Disasters and Accessory Quests.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

It's not though. With a rainbow grid strategy, you need to do all the events to farm all the SSRs for every element. Meanwhile the mono-grid player can farm a single element and not miss much. Elemental weakness isn't much of an issue since a mono-grid player doesn't really need much from any element other than their own anyway. Also, a maxed mono-grid team can clear Ultimates of their elemental weakness if needed; it's just Ragnaroks that are the problem. Yet clearing the extra 1/6 of Ragnaroks doesn't provide much benefit either, so that can be skipped too. Same with Ragnarok Disasters and Accessory Quests.

I see where you're coming from, but are we really going to use players that don't have much time to log in & grind events as an example? Coz I doubt most of those players would bother looking at guides and take their time deciding which is the best for them. But if we are talking about that case, you're right. You can just disregard that single element you're weak against. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That said, there are players who can actively participate in most events and want to clear them. And clearing doesn't only mean taking the rewards, but completely overcoming the challenges. And to those players, building a rainbow grid shouldn't be much of a problem while they don't have to bother with filling their grids with SR weapons. And they would also slowly, but surely become better & better with each element which has its own benefits.

And once again, I'm also using monogrid team, but if you argue against rainbow, I can't help, but argue for rainbow grid as that's also a pretty well working option.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Most of your points make no sense or are completely wrong.

1. If you're using a mixed grid, you're losing several weapon buffs. A decently leveled defender weapon or two of your team's element can easily make up the difference for using a mono grid of SSR and SR weapons.

2. Debuff's success rate is not as big of an issue that you're making it and can be taken care of with Mordred and several other ways.

3. #1.

4. Who does that? Any decent player will have a back up party to deal with weakness element and if you're using dark or light, you don't have this problem to begin with. People who've played long enough will have a decently leveled grid for every element and can still easily prioritize one or two over the rest.

5. Union events aren't solo, they're team based and again, you're over exaggerating another simple matter of farming/doing your dailies for break limit materials. The only time break limit materials is an issue is if you just started playing. It doesn't take long to where you'll eventually get to the point you have so much extra you won't have anything to use them on.

6. Using low level gear while working up to high level gear is the staple gameplay of any RPG game. If it helped you clear an event, then in no way it was a waste as it helped you progress. You're not just going to magically get a full SSR grid out of no where nor are you going to be able to successfully farm a max break weapon using nothing. You need to build from scratch and starting off the game you use R and SR weapons.

7. No idea what you're talking about.

I can counter all the argument but wont because its situational answer and perception not something solid and im busy too
so i will answer number 7 its about you cant put bonus stat from accumulation of plus one in SR weapon at best it will scarce.

About HP rarely people using defender esp the monogrid. Usually monogrid people are anti using defender thats why they have very low hp and Sr defender hp dont help much. You can argue about it but it will yield no conclusion or answer as both answer is a perception, assumption not actually real facts.

When we say 'rainbow', to what degree of 'rainbow' are we referring to?
Are we talking about compositions where the eidolon you want for the passive is a dual-element (Apocalypse/Phoenix/Fafnir/etc.)?
Or we're talking about a team where one of the standard elemental lilim looks good?
Or a team where the illusion/phantom lilim is the choice? (when you have/want no more than 2 kamihime of any given element)