Thread: Updated Kamihime Project Rerolling Guide for New and Intermediate Players

Originally Posted by Slashley

And if I understood right, you're basically comparing 0-star 100% Eidolons to MLB 120% Eidolons.

You didn't, and this is the issue I have with calling them "100% Eidolons" and "120% Eidolons" when they can range from an 80% 0-star Anubis with no matching Eidolons to a 160% 4-star DMM Cerberus with all matching Eidolons. A 4-star Hraesvelgr (120%) would be 40% behind a 4-star fully-powered Hanuman (160%). A 0-star Hanuman will also be up to 40% stronger than a 0-star Hraesvelgr once the buff kicks in.

Originally Posted by Slashley

The 120% Eidolons will be buffed a bit, but you're really underselling just how powerful those are. Either will grant you the greatest thing that a new player can want - actually competent Friends.

Would you rather have a friend with a 100% Eidolon or a friend with a 140% Eidolon?

Again, you're comparing 0-star current 100% Eidolons to MLB 120% Eidolons.

Note, they're not going to be 140%-160% when they come out. They'll be 120% (or rather, 100% with no same elemental Eidolons) to 140% (or rather, 120% with no same elemental Eidolons). So rather than:

Originally Posted by Pigeon

Would you rather have a friend with a 100% Eidolon or a friend with a 140% Eidolon?

The question is more like "Would you rather have a friend with a 100% Eidolon or a friend with a 100% Eidolon with a a chance to be a bit more?"

Because that's what they are until they get buffed, which is what? 11 months from now?

For a player re-rolling for an account based on this guide to build a team around complete with multiple Miracle Ticket picks I think it's reasonable to assume that they don't intend to dump this game 11 months from now.

I mean, how long have you been playing?

It's a long term investment and Hanuman a month from now is a significantly better one than any that can be re-rolled for now.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

For a player re-rolling for an account based on this guide to build a team around complete with multiple Miracle Ticket picks I think it's reasonable to assume that they don't intend to dump this game 11 months from now.

I mean, how long have you been playing?

It's a long term investment and Hanuman a month from now is a significantly better one than any that can be re-rolled for now.

Hanuman will be buffed in a year from now. So hanuman still 120% eidolon but if you dont have any sub wind eidolon its equal to only 100% same as hraes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hanuman will be buffed in a year from now. So hanuman still 120% eidolon but if you dont have any sub wind eidolon its equal to only 100% same as hraes.

What's more important to you, this calendar year or the rest of time after this calendar year?

In either timeframe, Hanuman will be better than Hraesvelgr. In the much longer timeframe, Hanuman will be much better. The same applies to the other 2019 Gacha Eidolons as they come out, relative to their earlier counterparts.

You can live in the far future as much as you want, but you're still selling a 100% Eidolon against a 100% Eidolon. Yes, Hanuman is slightly better... if you can fulfill the requirement of Wind Eidolon Grid without sacrificing base Atk. Hint, you can't.

In a year, Hanuman is somewhat better. 120% Hanuman against 100% Hraes is certainly a damage increase, but again, going to 140% will require a Wind Eidolon Grid. Even if you do go 140% Hanuman, hell, even if you go DOUBLE 140% Hanuman, the damage increase when compared to double 100% Hraes is barely enough to cover the 16% extra damage you get from Hraes being able to get your Def debuffs from 40% to 50%. Of course, this doesn't apply to debuff immune content.

Again, you're seriously overselling Hanuman.

Originally Posted by Slashley

You can live in the far future as much as you want, but you're still selling a 100% Eidolon against a 100% Eidolon. Yes, Hanuman is slightly better... if you can fulfill the requirement of Wind Eidolon Grid without sacrificing base Atk. Hint, you can't.

In a year, Hanuman is somewhat better. 120% Hanuman against 100% Hraes is certainly a damage increase, but again, going to 140% will require a Wind Eidolon Grid. Even if you do go 140% Hanuman, hell, even if you go DOUBLE 140% Hanuman, the damage increase when compared to double 100% Hraes is barely enough to cover the 16% extra damage you get from Hraes being able to get your Def debuffs from 40% to 50%. Of course, this doesn't apply to debuff immune content.

Again, you're seriously overselling Hanuman.

I disagree about going one element eidolon grid is worse. Going one element grid has benefit using the likes of hanuman, managram, anubis etc. Going one element eidos grid will benefit you with extra 10% eidos stats increase. So 2400 attack and 800hp if same element its automatically will become 2640 and 880hp. That doesn't cover 20% more passive from opponent eidolon. If you have hanuman the extra benefit would be at least 40% more extra elemental buff from eidolon. 40% elemental attack is big and 10% extra stats mostly have covered the status decrease from using weaker status eidolon but many wind eidolon has strong stats too so it isn't a problem.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

What's more important to you, this calendar year or the rest of time after this calendar year?

In either timeframe, Hanuman will be better than Hraesvelgr. In the much longer timeframe, Hanuman will be much better. The same applies to the other 2019 Gacha Eidolons as they come out, relative to their earlier counterparts.

Indeed but rerolling isn't easy too by the time hanuman comes he has missed wind union event also it takes maybe a month from now so don't really sure he want to wait that long. As rare as hanuman, flb weapon also very rare and furthermore wind weapon also give best flb because give you 2 exceed weapons on top of assault large or pride. To get flb is very rare too and he will get several sr assault to help him boost his grid much faster too. He can wait but but is it really worth to wait and reroll again for spesific eidolon. He mostly dont get the 100% eidolon when reroll there is no guarantee even with rate up. In one year of time nothing can be predicted is it close down or have no motivation anymore to play. If he wait hanuman he will lose 2 flb exceed weapons and must do crazy reroll again and collect more weapons. If he use current hraes he can play now, get 2 flb weapons and get many sr to fill its grid faster and hraes active also strong. Its not bad trade off.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

In either timeframe, Hanuman will be better than Hraesvelgr. In the much longer timeframe, Hanuman will be much better. The same applies to the other 2019 Gacha Eidolons as they come out, relative to their earlier counterparts.

But if you reroll for Hanuman, you are 1 additional month behind AND one wind UE event (which means two FLB weapon less). It was already noted when i was writing this reply.

Originally Posted by Slashley

You can live in the far future as much as you want, but you're still selling a 100% Eidolon against a 100% Eidolon. Yes, Hanuman is slightly better... if you can fulfill the requirement of Wind Eidolon Grid without sacrificing base Atk. Hint, you can't.

And how high will this base ATK loss be ? 1k, 2k ? And with double upgraded Hanuman you get 80% (40% with old version) additional ele ATK (doesn't matter whether it's 0 LB or FLB). Eidos' on summon effects are another thing though.

Originally Posted by Slashley

In a year, Hanuman is somewhat better. 120% Hanuman against 100% Hraes is certainly a damage increase, but again, going to 140% will require a Wind Eidolon Grid. Even if you do go 140% Hanuman, hell, even if you go DOUBLE 140% Hanuman, the damage increase when compared to double 100% Hraes is barely enough to cover the 16% extra damage you get from Hraes being able to get your Def debuffs from 40% to 50%. Of course, this doesn't apply to debuff immune content.

Difference with Soul weapon and advantage: 455/375 = ~21% damage gain. Provided you can't hit DEF down cap gain will be negligible. If you can or boss is debuff immune, that's another story.
After buffs those eidolons are on new level of broken.