Thread: [Event 43] Raid Event vs Tiamat

Originally Posted by Slashley

As long as you keep spamming half-pots for Gem Quests and spend 100k on Gem Gacha every day, level-up fodder should be fairly easy to obtain.

SR weapons are like slvl20 in two days, though leveling up takes longer (three?). I'd imagine that Eidolons would take like a week.

Oh yeah, I've been doing that lately (hence why Barong was finished and her gun as well). I probably need to do the gem quests more, but I feel like I have too much right now (although spending will get that down in like a week).

Originally Posted by xxMidnightxx

Cmon bro... Reiki is better lmao a 5 percentage boost to the entire team is huge especially when it’s atk up and not character. The fact that u said they’re pretty much the same plus some blows my mind. A better argument here is Reiki vs. Tiamat if anything in which Tiamat does reign superior 👌🏼

Originally Posted by Amak

So higher raw stats are better than the 5% higher water atk from Reiki? Is that how it works?

depends on how strong your team is... 5% water atk might make a difference if you're packing some really high assault... the "meta" players probably got a grid full of assault and pride at SLv20 to make that 5% matter...

Tiamat though... possibly blows those two out the water.... pun not intended...

Tiamat has more atk than most eidolons in the game, ups the rate of double (i'm seeing 5% more chance from comments), and provides a barrier... reiki is just 5% more water attack with around 2/3rds the raw atk as Tiamat and comes with a fire resist, while JF comes with the same things as reiki (more or less), but sometimes removes a charge from bosses and has slightly higher raw atk than reiki...

it's more a case of what you need... in my case, i rolled a ton of defensinve kami and not many offensive ones (hell, my SSR in water element is Aphrodite, Snow Raphael, and Sarasvati). Jack Frost with that pretty much lets me outlast a lot of fire fights and even some off element ones (although my wind and light teams is better for that). i still tend to use reiki as a friend (and sub considering my reiki isn't MLB) but in fire fights, i'm not dying anytime soon...

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

depends on how strong your team is... 5% water atk might make a difference if you're packing some really high assault... the "meta" players probably got a grid full of assault and pride at SLv20 to make that 5% matter...

Assault grid won't matter for this, since modifiers just multiply each other. In other words, you should only be looking at the part which is affected - in this case, elemental attack. That's anything between 180% to 255% with double Jack Frost/Tiamat. Add 10% for double Reiki.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

Tiamat though... possibly blows those two out the water.... pun not intended...

I did some speculative maths earlier. No, Tiamat doesn't blow Reiki out of the water.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Assault grid won't matter for this, since modifiers just multiply each other. In other words, you should only be looking at the part which is affected - in this case, elemental attack. That's anything between 180% to 255% with double Jack Frost/Tiamat. Add 10% for double Reiki.I did some speculative maths earlier. No, Tiamat doesn't blow Reiki out of the water.

but wasn't your value of assault a major factor in how well elemental attack works for you?

i remember it being said before multiple times, but 90% assault is typically the point when character atk becomes meaningless for you

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

but wasn't your value of assault a major factor in how well elemental attack works for you?

i remember it being said before multiple times, but 90% assault is typically the point when character atk becomes meaningless for you

Yes. For overall damage. I believe I've personally said 80%, but that's just an arbitrary number - it's around there.

But. When comparing two sources of elemental damage, just compare it to other elemental damage. Because regardless of the other modifiers (such as Assault), the damage increase or decrease will be in the same proportion. As I said in my speculative maths, 10% elemental attack is 4-6% more damage for you.

How much 4-6% actually is for you will depend on stuff like your Assault grid, but the 4-6% won't change. So when compared to the ~9% boost of Tiamat, yes, it is higher, but not high enough that you'll need to feel bad for using Reiki.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes. For overall damage. I believe I've personally said 80%, but that's just an arbitrary number - it's around there.

But. When comparing two sources of elemental damage, just compare it to other elemental damage. Because regardless of the other modifiers (such as Assault), the damage increase or decrease will be in the same proportion. As I said in my speculative maths, 10% elemental attack is 4-6% more damage for you.

How much 4-6% actually is for you will depend on stuff like your Assault grid, but the 4-6% won't change. So when compared to the ~9% boost of Tiamat, yes, it is higher, but not high enough that you'll need to feel bad for using Reiki.

even still, in terms of defense, tiamat should also be better than reiki... unless it's fire damage you take

reiki gives fire resist (more than jack but for 3 turns only as opposed to the entire fight), tiamat gives a flat HP barrier... this means tiamat is less situational than reiki int he case of being in sub slot of for using a water team in an off-element situation

Which shouldn't matter, since you can use all of them if you want. Especially Tiamat will be a sub-Eidolon for everyone who doesn't whale, due to having the highest stats of all event Eidolons. At least for the next year.

If you're fighting Fire, nothing can beat Jack Frost, really. But if you want damage over survival, Tiamat and Reiki are about equal. Tiamat is probably slightly ahead, but less reliable and doesn't work on skills.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

even still, in terms of defense, tiamat should also be better than reiki... unless it's fire damage you take

reiki gives fire resist (more than jack but for 3 turns only as opposed to the entire fight), tiamat gives a flat HP barrier... this means tiamat is less situational than reiki int he case of being in sub slot of for using a water team in an off-element situation

Reiki's buff is only 1 turn.

If Jack or Reiki aren't being used as a main eidolon, I would not even use either of them as a sub. Unlike Tiamat, the other two have fairly average/low atk, so there are better eidolons out there to use even if different element.