Thread: [Event 49] Raid Battle vs Adrammelech

Did you not play during Apocalypse? Sure Adra is better, but not by a significant margin.

Of course, actually finding Fafnir or Apo in your friendlist is an entirely different matter...

I began on Halloween. And was too newbie to do anything interesting on Wrath. So, my only event for my main element on all that months have been the Yatagarasu reprint.

if the event is starting on the 1st, i couldn't have picked a better time to use vacation days.... i'll be off for nearly a week of paid vacation so that's plenty of time to grind an event for once

but in my case, "water sucks! it really, really sucks!" so i might just throw my light team at it outside of the expert mission...

Originally Posted by Delete

I began on Halloween. And was too newbie to do anything interesting on Wrath. So, my only event for my main element on all that months have been the Yatagarasu reprint.

at least yata is far more useful than the wrath lilim. all lilims are sub fodder at best....

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

if the event is starting on the 1st, i couldn't have picked a better time to use vacation days.... i'll be off for nearly a week of paid vacation so that's plenty of time to grind an event for once

but in my case, "water sucks! it really, really sucks!" so i might just throw my light team at it outside of the expert mission...




at least yata is far more useful than the wrath lilim. all lilims are sub fodder at best....

If you have a team that hits better than your light team, considering the element bonus isn't that game-breakingly high, I'd suggest you switch over to that instead.

Lilim sub fodder is... even debatable. The stats are pretty much SR level, so the only thing you have going for is the element boost. And well, there are other eidolons that provide the same boost, or even better. Ixion over thunder Lilim, for example.

When the raid eidolon store rolls about, that's instant degradation to orb fodder since everyone can buy Kaisers. If only they buffed these girls...

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

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Lilim sub fodder is... even debatable. The stats are pretty much SR level, so the only thing you have going for is the element boost. And well, there are other eidolons that provide the same boost, or even better. Ixion over thunder Lilim, for example.

For the record, there are extremely rare cases where Lilims are the best Mains to use. For example, there was that one DMM player who used a Lilim to hit #3 on Individual rankings, thanks to having to use Thor and Arianrhod for Paralyzes (both off-element). I found that odd, so after mathing it out, despite there being 100 free Assault from Union buffs, it was actually more damage to use Lilim over a basic Elemental attack Eidolon. By a whopping couple of percent, but those couple of percent can mean the difference between rank#3 and rank#6 for example.

... I kinda feel like it would be better to just go 4-man Wind or Thunder and use a basic Elemental Eidolon, though. But since I don't know that guy's teams, I can't math it out.

Anyway. A more realistic situation is for a new player who gets carried through a Union event, and gets some excellent off-element debuffers. Not even having access to Sniper Shot or BP yet - much less having a grid - bringing a Lilim with off-element Ryu-Oh and Amaterasu would be a game-changer for new players. How likely is it that a new player would have access to these two (or something close) AND a Lilim? Extremely unlikely.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

-- When the raid eidolon store rolls about, that's instant degradation to orb fodder since everyone can buy Kaisers. If only they buffed these girls...

Also for the record, the Kaisers are really expensive. I've been farming for... 9 months for them? Or is it more like 6? Hmm... either way, a long time. But I'm only expecting to be able to buy 2 or at most 3 of them. So it will take me another 6-9 months to get all of them.

They are NOT cheap, so saying that "everyone will have Kaisers" is probably not going to be true. Everyone will have a couple of Kaisers, but it'll take time before everyone will have lots of (0-star) Kaisers.
Or I could be wrong and everyone will have all the Kaisers, since we'll be able to sell the R Eidolons from Gem Gacha for points instead of 100 Gems.

Originally Posted by Slashley

For the record, there are extremely rare cases where Lilims are the best Mains to use. For example, there was that one DMM player who used a Lilim to hit #3 on Individual rankings, thanks to having to use Thor and Arianrhod for Paralyzes (both off-element). I found that odd, so after mathing it out, despite there being 100 free Assault from Union buffs, it was actually more damage to use Lilim over a basic Elemental attack Eidolon. By a whopping couple of percent, but those couple of percent can mean the difference between rank#3 and rank#6 for example.

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Originally Posted by Slashley

For the record, there are extremely rare cases where Lilims are the best Mains to use. For example, there was that one DMM player who used a Lilim to hit #3 on Individual rankings, thanks to having to use Thor and Arianrhod for Paralyzes (both off-element). I found that odd, so after mathing it out, despite there being 100 free Assault from Union buffs, it was actually more damage to use Lilim over a basic Elemental attack Eidolon. By a whopping couple of percent, but those couple of percent can mean the difference between rank#3 and rank#6 for example.

... I kinda feel like it would be better to just go 4-man Wind or Thunder and use a basic Elemental Eidolon, though. But since I don't know that guy's teams, I can't math it out.

Anyway. A more realistic situation is for a new player who gets carried through a Union event, and gets some excellent off-element debuffers. Not even having access to Sniper Shot or BP yet - much less having a grid - bringing a Lilim with off-element Ryu-Oh and Amaterasu would be a game-changer for new players. How likely is it that a new player would have access to these two (or something close) AND a Lilim? Extremely unlikely.Also for the record, the Kaisers are really expensive. I've been farming for... 9 months for them? Or is it more like 6? Hmm... either way, a long time. But I'm only expecting to be able to buy 2 or at most 3 of them. So it will take me another 6-9 months to get all of them.

They are NOT cheap, so saying that "everyone will have Kaisers" is probably not going to be true. Everyone will have a couple of Kaisers, but it'll take time before everyone will have lots of (0-star) Kaisers.
Or I could be wrong and everyone will have all the Kaisers, since we'll be able to sell the R Eidolons from Gem Gacha for points instead of 100 Gems.

... Damn. The para train with the Lilims are just straight up creativity there. For the average player? There's that case of having 2 off element girls I suppose (well, you did seal it off at the end with the unlikeliness statement), but I was thinking along the lines of when you start focusing on elements. By then I would expect them to trade in those Lilims for a raid eidolon with the appropriate passives.

The Kaiser thing will indeed take time. Just gonna plug some random numbers in for the sake of convenience. I estimate (without evidence) that we get roughly 30 R eidolons per day with max pulls on gemcha. 60 points per day, while the Kaisers take 10k. Each event eidolon also gives 750 though, and we can sell depending on how much use we actually find for them. Cash in our stockpiled SR disasters (none for the new player, probably, and let's say we have 40 MLB by the time it comes out... 600). That sums up to about... 11 weeks per Kaiser?

... Well ok 2 months and then some is quite the drag.

I'll probably sell a couple of useless gacha eidolons...

Sooooo, is it weird that I collect a max level MLB of each Lilim to never ever use but just find it oddly satisfying to line up all Lilims from every element?

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Cash in our stockpiled SR disasters (none for the new player, probably, and let's say we have 40 MLB by the time it comes out... 600).

One of the 2 numbers here seems wrong, either you mean 4 MLB (which I doubt) or 6000 points as SR give 30 points per piece (MLB SR 150 points). Nevertheless it's debatable getting yourself 40 MLB in a couple weeks (although it might be possible depending how much resources you throw in).

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

If you have a team that hits better than your light team, considering the element bonus isn't that game-breakingly high, I'd suggest you switch over to that instead.

Lilim sub fodder is... even debatable. The stats are pretty much SR level, so the only thing you have going for is the element boost. And well, there are other eidolons that provide the same boost, or even better. Ixion over thunder Lilim, for example.

When the raid eidolon store rolls about, that's instant degradation to orb fodder since everyone can buy Kaisers. If only they buffed these girls...

last i checked, you get only one kaiser copy every so often (if that cause i don't know if they resupply or not).... so it's gonna be a while before you can MLB one of them. if you're trying to damage spike your team, you should be using lilims and both dragoons in sub slots given the damage increase from buffs should outweigh the stats. but optimized sub slots for that would get filled with kaisers eventually cause they have insane stats with incredible buffs. i'm just saying don't drop the lilims from the sub slots until you need to cause that's a few turns of buffs you could be using.

with all 3 of the buffers that's up to 15% elem atk and 20% elem def for 3 turns from SR dragoons, it says medium for lilim elem atk buff so i'm guessing 20% from that for 3 turns, and then kaiser comes in with up to 50% elem atk and however much elem def for 2 turns. that's 8 turns of at least 15% damage increase until you can start filling the sub slots out with kaiser copies, in which case it'll only grow from there. and bonus points to this strategy if you can add eidolons like fafnir, ifrit, and meng huo into the mix. a free player (that might have rolled a different 100% eidolon) could use all 6 with fafnir as the lead, but someone with say belial could just replace someone else, let belial take the lead, then probably toss the SR dragoon out cause it has the weakest of the buffs. just saying it's a thought.

as for my teams hitting hard, only ones that would come close is fire (and that's if i go buff happy with my kami, which yamaraja needs leveled for), and dark (which needs an ability nuke setup and either my satan or thanatos to go with my amon). light can just debuff and go, especially since my lineup has Sol, Raphael, Tsukiyomi, Diana, Shamash, and Metatron, so I can set them how I need. if debuffs won't stick so well, then fire is my best damage output hands down. that said, i kinda dropped wind as my secondary (but still use them) and moved fire to it cause my grid for light is more or less set, i just need to level everything.

in fact, that light grid is here:

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