Thread: [Event 49] Raid Battle vs Adrammelech

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

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Lilim sub fodder is... even debatable. The stats are pretty much SR level, so the only thing you have going for is the element boost. And well, there are other eidolons that provide the same boost, or even better. Ixion over thunder Lilim, for example.

For the record, there are extremely rare cases where Lilims are the best Mains to use. For example, there was that one DMM player who used a Lilim to hit #3 on Individual rankings, thanks to having to use Thor and Arianrhod for Paralyzes (both off-element). I found that odd, so after mathing it out, despite there being 100 free Assault from Union buffs, it was actually more damage to use Lilim over a basic Elemental attack Eidolon. By a whopping couple of percent, but those couple of percent can mean the difference between rank#3 and rank#6 for example.

... I kinda feel like it would be better to just go 4-man Wind or Thunder and use a basic Elemental Eidolon, though. But since I don't know that guy's teams, I can't math it out.

Anyway. A more realistic situation is for a new player who gets carried through a Union event, and gets some excellent off-element debuffers. Not even having access to Sniper Shot or BP yet - much less having a grid - bringing a Lilim with off-element Ryu-Oh and Amaterasu would be a game-changer for new players. How likely is it that a new player would have access to these two (or something close) AND a Lilim? Extremely unlikely.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

-- When the raid eidolon store rolls about, that's instant degradation to orb fodder since everyone can buy Kaisers. If only they buffed these girls...

Also for the record, the Kaisers are really expensive. I've been farming for... 9 months for them? Or is it more like 6? Hmm... either way, a long time. But I'm only expecting to be able to buy 2 or at most 3 of them. So it will take me another 6-9 months to get all of them.

They are NOT cheap, so saying that "everyone will have Kaisers" is probably not going to be true. Everyone will have a couple of Kaisers, but it'll take time before everyone will have lots of (0-star) Kaisers.
Or I could be wrong and everyone will have all the Kaisers, since we'll be able to sell the R Eidolons from Gem Gacha for points instead of 100 Gems.

Originally Posted by Slashley

For the record, there are extremely rare cases where Lilims are the best Mains to use. For example, there was that one DMM player who used a Lilim to hit #3 on Individual rankings, thanks to having to use Thor and Arianrhod for Paralyzes (both off-element). I found that odd, so after mathing it out, despite there being 100 free Assault from Union buffs, it was actually more damage to use Lilim over a basic Elemental attack Eidolon. By a whopping couple of percent, but those couple of percent can mean the difference between rank#3 and rank#6 for example.

A LLM built without Sol and Gaia ain't a LLM build
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Originally Posted by Slashley

For the record, there are extremely rare cases where Lilims are the best Mains to use. For example, there was that one DMM player who used a Lilim to hit #3 on Individual rankings, thanks to having to use Thor and Arianrhod for Paralyzes (both off-element). I found that odd, so after mathing it out, despite there being 100 free Assault from Union buffs, it was actually more damage to use Lilim over a basic Elemental attack Eidolon. By a whopping couple of percent, but those couple of percent can mean the difference between rank#3 and rank#6 for example.

... I kinda feel like it would be better to just go 4-man Wind or Thunder and use a basic Elemental Eidolon, though. But since I don't know that guy's teams, I can't math it out.

Anyway. A more realistic situation is for a new player who gets carried through a Union event, and gets some excellent off-element debuffers. Not even having access to Sniper Shot or BP yet - much less having a grid - bringing a Lilim with off-element Ryu-Oh and Amaterasu would be a game-changer for new players. How likely is it that a new player would have access to these two (or something close) AND a Lilim? Extremely unlikely.Also for the record, the Kaisers are really expensive. I've been farming for... 9 months for them? Or is it more like 6? Hmm... either way, a long time. But I'm only expecting to be able to buy 2 or at most 3 of them. So it will take me another 6-9 months to get all of them.

They are NOT cheap, so saying that "everyone will have Kaisers" is probably not going to be true. Everyone will have a couple of Kaisers, but it'll take time before everyone will have lots of (0-star) Kaisers.
Or I could be wrong and everyone will have all the Kaisers, since we'll be able to sell the R Eidolons from Gem Gacha for points instead of 100 Gems.

... Damn. The para train with the Lilims are just straight up creativity there. For the average player? There's that case of having 2 off element girls I suppose (well, you did seal it off at the end with the unlikeliness statement), but I was thinking along the lines of when you start focusing on elements. By then I would expect them to trade in those Lilims for a raid eidolon with the appropriate passives.

The Kaiser thing will indeed take time. Just gonna plug some random numbers in for the sake of convenience. I estimate (without evidence) that we get roughly 30 R eidolons per day with max pulls on gemcha. 60 points per day, while the Kaisers take 10k. Each event eidolon also gives 750 though, and we can sell depending on how much use we actually find for them. Cash in our stockpiled SR disasters (none for the new player, probably, and let's say we have 40 MLB by the time it comes out... 600). That sums up to about... 11 weeks per Kaiser?

... Well ok 2 months and then some is quite the drag.

I'll probably sell a couple of useless gacha eidolons...

Sooooo, is it weird that I collect a max level MLB of each Lilim to never ever use but just find it oddly satisfying to line up all Lilims from every element?

Originally Posted by Amak

Sooooo, is it weird that I collect a max level MLB of each Lilim to never ever use but just find it oddly satisfying to line up all Lilims from every element?

Satisfaction is never weird. You do you

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Cash in our stockpiled SR disasters (none for the new player, probably, and let's say we have 40 MLB by the time it comes out... 600).

One of the 2 numbers here seems wrong, either you mean 4 MLB (which I doubt) or 6000 points as SR give 30 points per piece (MLB SR 150 points). Nevertheless it's debatable getting yourself 40 MLB in a couple weeks (although it might be possible depending how much resources you throw in).

Originally Posted by Itoshira

One of the 2 numbers here seems wrong, either you mean 4 MLB (which I doubt) or 6000 points as SR give 30 points per piece (MLB SR 150 points). Nevertheless it's debatable getting yourself 40 MLB in a couple weeks (although it might be possible depending how much resources you throw in).

Whoops. Yup, did the maths wrongly here, mental calculation always fails me.

40 MLB SR eidolons was more of for the veterans that know raid eidolon store is rolling about. For the average player, give or take 10?

Resources wise, if you spam the catastrophes, you might be able to get away with less than 11 weeks per Kaiser.

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