Thread: Soul weapon discussion

Originally Posted by Slashley

How so? Herc in particular offers you basically EVERYTHING you want. Damage, durability, debuff. How is that a burden in any way?Well, that'll depend on what kind of moveset these things have. That's something I'll know better when we get to see them in action.And, when isn't just running Herc with her 700k not good enough? We're talking like one turn slower (700k nuke + auto-attacks should do it), while Herc is also:
1. immortal,
2. offers the team a unique debuff,
3. team-wide PF buff,
4. nearly guaranteed to not being Soul-capped for burst speed, which also results in higher attack damage in general.

It is difficult to imagine content where it's easier to give up ALL of that just so that you can move a boss in or out of Rage one turn earlier. I mean, it's possible, but 1. it needs to be content where's you're walking on thin-thread where one side is that you can clear it, and the other side is that you can't clear it 2. you need to be familiar enough with the content to be able to make the call that you should be able to do it with Solomon, but not with Herc without RNG landing just right - this for example takes out Tower since you can't just experiment with the content to see how it goes.

Yes, she offers all that, and all that is bound to requirements. No buffs? She is weak like any other soul and complicates PF usage. No Relic? No Burst? No Debuff. She gains much BG? Great, how about all your other hime? Are they ready aswell? Herc is just like Shingen, bound to conditions, if they are not right, then she is has lesser value.
And once again, if you happen to have a proper team that can make use of all she offers in a proper lossless way, it is totally fine, but before that, some other options are just maybe better overall. And sometimes that 1 turn is exactly that important to avoid getting killed. I dont wanna eat a 10k AoE if I can avoid it have to avoid getting an AoE Paralyze, Burst-Lock, Abi-Lock on my ass. 1 turn can matter far more then you think.

That doesn't sound right at all. Not only that you were glorifying 2m damage from Solomon just a few lines earlier, and now Herc is doing just about the same.

But also, just what kind of values does Over Limit offer? Since right now, I can't even find those from DMM wiki. Not Herc's Page or the MP page lists anything... it does seem to stack, but still calling doubt on that. Something like that might happen if you ran the Bow for example, and you wouldn't do that, would you?

Herc needs more help to reach that damage while solomon has pretty much everything herself and only needs the debuffs. Also, the exammple with Overlimit was in regards to sticking to PF on Herc. So nothing to do with Solomon and her damage, as Herc needs 10 turns to reach that point, so Solomon already did 2 rounds of that damage.

Used Hime were: Atum, Tish, Diana, Michael.
Weapon: Herc Axe
Eidolon: 45% Thunderbird + 120% Fluffy Non-Friend (2 Light Eidos in Sub, so not even reached max value of that Fluffy)
Average power at the point of this: Round about 50k or something, 100 - 120% Assault (I dont exactly remember how much I had, but it should be around that point)
Target: Dark Cata Ultimate

If I aint wrong, Overlimit increases per stack 10% Overall Damage Cap, Abi damage, abi damage cap, Burst damage. Up to 5 stacks possible

I actually could use the current Dummy-Event and test this once momre to see if I can break the 2m. I have Michael AW now :thinking: and strong grid

This is the part where you say double buffed P2W Eidolons and that you're using the Bow for memes.

I'm 100% F2P on DMM and only buy MTix on Taco. No need to bash around like this.

I mean, I'd just love to see more variety in Soul choices. But unfortunately, it's ultimately a game of maths, and the devs have made a couple of choices WAY too good to be true.

And you can have that, you just need to step away from math and you are seeing a wonderful world of variety of possibilities.

Edit: Well, it seems like I hit the cap since I cant get any higher. Below the screenshots of my personal best so far.
http://prntscr.com/m0uttx
http://prntscr.com/m0utvw