Thread: plat units = to blacks

Nadia?



She is a boss. She is far better than most Black units due to a combination of things she can do, despite her very high cost. Nadia being a boss is the best way to describe her, since she is going to be the one carrying your team because she's pulling a lot of weight.

Nadia with her Skill AW has:

• Very high raw stats
• A permanently activated skill unless she becomes paralyzed
• Extremely high stats after skill activation (1.5x ATK/DEF)
• Attacks all grounded enemies within her range

Nadia does so many things despite her cost. Cost is not even an issue at all and people will complain about her cost just because they are dumb as hell. She should not be compared to a Bandit at all. She is far better than a Bandit in terms of performance. For 40 cost, you get a unit that deals a lot of damage and has a large amount of defense on top of it. There are only a select few enemies that she can not kill fast, which are variations of the high-tier golems (Maid, Axe Maid, Iron, and Mithril) and some bosses. She can tank all of them as well with proper support because of her high HP and DEF. Everything else? She'll chew through them because she'll be rocking 2k+ attack. Enemies still getting through? Place a blocker behind her just because she'll tear them apart for trying to get away.

Yeah, her cost is high and there is some time before her skill activates, but that is a minor thing in exchange for power. I will use any means possible to deploy her sooner. If her cost was 60, I would even deploy 3 Soldiers just to use her because she is worth that cost.





Other Platinum units can only look in shame. Even Black units like Deine can only look in shame at the sheer power of Nadia. This post of mine barely touches upon the ridiculousness of Nadia. There has been ongoing discussion in other places talking about how overpowered she is. Bandits, Samurais, and Angels look tame by comparison.

gellius looks at your nadia and deosn't give a flying fuck about her. He's the only tank in the game that can facetank high tier bosses. If there is 1 unit that can be considered by far the best in his role in the game , it's gellius and its not even close

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What is your point? I didn't say she is the best tank ever.

I also have a max level Jelius and I know what he does.

unless i'm missing your point , we were talking about which unit simply stands out of an entire army , regardless of role. Gelius is clearly the best tank in the game , and stomps all the competition out of the water. actually if i were 2 pick 2 units from your team , those would be gellius and olivie , long before nadia. Not that nadia is bad tho , but she's not THAT great. 2 costly to be eficiently deployed in any sort of rush map for ex


I mean , maybe i missunderstood , but we were talking about which plat unit is the best. I'd say gellis is the better one

forgetting about cost.. she looks pretty badass. if you can deploy her in a choke point looks like a total meat grinder.. throw gellius and healer behind and afk

Originally Posted by lolix

unless i'm missing your point , we were talking about which unit simply stands out of an entire army , regardless of role. Gelius is clearly the best tank in the game , and stomps all the competition out of the water. actually if i were 2 pick 2 units from your team , those would be gellius and olivie , long before nadia. Not that nadia is bad tho , but she's not THAT great. 2 costly to be eficiently deployed in any sort of rush map for ex


I mean , maybe i missunderstood , but we were talking about which plat unit is the best. I'd say gellis is the better one

this topic is actually discussing which plats are near black-level. both Gellius and Nadia has enough stats/power to be listed here. also note that exk has only mentioned nadia as a duelist that can tank anything except the super high end ones, although she can also tank most of them with a bit of support. if you notice in exk's screenshot, nadia has 3.5k hp with 2.6k def, which effectively allows her to tank up to 6k damage. there are not many things where you need gellius instead of nadia to tank. (so yes, gellius is not the only tank that can facetank high-tier bosses)

also, nadia can dps, while gellius can't.

The bottom line is that while Nadia is indeed expensive she also consolidates an awful lot of power into one spot.

Anyway, I do think there comes a point where fixating on roles can become rather counterproductive--it's important to have your all your bases covered, certainly, but that doesn't mean units have to be all defense or all offense. Gellius is great against uber units but otherwise a premium tank really only has value over a merely adequate tank if the difference in defenses allows you to get away with less healers. Otherwise you may as well throw in a blocker that can get the job done while providing more oomph.

the point he was making was that no plat unit come close in sheer power , to which i responded that gelius is (stat wise) the best plat in the game. He is the best tank , with great block , MR and defense , while also costing way less. Deploying nadia will not be cost effective on a majority of maps

He is mainly talking about the sheer damage coupled with her great tankiness though. Or did you miss the part where he said she was better than bandits, and the only HA he actually used in comparison was Deine, a high damage HA?

Gellius' tanking ability is different from the power output of Nadia (which is what he was getting at) if you want to go by stats at max level and affection

Gellius
HP: 4175
Atk: 306
Def: 611
MR: 10

Adding Gellius' Skill AW (for 30 seconds)
Def: 1833
MR: 30

Nadia
HP: 3572
Atk: 1031
Def: 614
MR: 0

Adding Nadias Skill AW (which keeps going till she gets paralyzed)
Atk: 1546
Def: 921

Despite the fact that she can only block 1 target she clearly outclasses Gellius stat wise, of course she's not meant to be put on every map and has her areas where she shines.