Thread: plat units = to blacks

Nadia?



She is a boss. She is far better than most Black units due to a combination of things she can do, despite her very high cost. Nadia being a boss is the best way to describe her, since she is going to be the one carrying your team because she's pulling a lot of weight.

Nadia with her Skill AW has:

• Very high raw stats
• A permanently activated skill unless she becomes paralyzed
• Extremely high stats after skill activation (1.5x ATK/DEF)
• Attacks all grounded enemies within her range

Nadia does so many things despite her cost. Cost is not even an issue at all and people will complain about her cost just because they are dumb as hell. She should not be compared to a Bandit at all. She is far better than a Bandit in terms of performance. For 40 cost, you get a unit that deals a lot of damage and has a large amount of defense on top of it. There are only a select few enemies that she can not kill fast, which are variations of the high-tier golems (Maid, Axe Maid, Iron, and Mithril) and some bosses. She can tank all of them as well with proper support because of her high HP and DEF. Everything else? She'll chew through them because she'll be rocking 2k+ attack. Enemies still getting through? Place a blocker behind her just because she'll tear them apart for trying to get away.

Yeah, her cost is high and there is some time before her skill activates, but that is a minor thing in exchange for power. I will use any means possible to deploy her sooner. If her cost was 60, I would even deploy 3 Soldiers just to use her because she is worth that cost.





Other Platinum units can only look in shame. Even Black units like Deine can only look in shame at the sheer power of Nadia. This post of mine barely touches upon the ridiculousness of Nadia. There has been ongoing discussion in other places talking about how overpowered she is. Bandits, Samurais, and Angels look tame by comparison.

anyway yeah a perfect (minus fucking unit cost) elizabeth is basically free loot on acquired target

stuff just basically hands her the loot and dies

I swear to god - it occasionally gives you the loot before the mob is even dead

it's literally vayne with devourer and an edgeforce executioner bloodthirster and zephyr

she wont die, nothing will live - loot always lol

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and yes it's me what are you fucking retarded?

wait don't answer that xD

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i vote that they need a space map

and when they do treasure island the quest for black units -

the token space map is a black bounty hunter named Boobies Fatt or something and it's girl Boba

While we are talking about gellius being the best tank.. Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else that a plat is even better then a black. Blacks should be the very best at their role. Deine should be able to block anything and say self heal or do more damage. Cause she can't tank the end game golems right?

Originally Posted by switch

While we are talking about gellius being the best tank.. Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else that a plat is even better then a black. Blacks should be the very best at their role. Deine should be able to block anything and say self heal or do more damage. Cause she can't tank the end game golems right?

I agree that there should at least be ONE black tank that can outperform Gellius in end game tanking. That said, Deine is an absolute beast in damage as a tank. 1k+ dps non-awakened with her skill up. Yes, dps, not damage.

The black vs. plat argument is interesting in itself, but except for a few cases, blacks aren't always better.

Look at princesses, for example. Lilia and Sherry have their moments where Sybilla or Olivie would underperform.

The exceptions would probably be Nanaly and black Iris.

@lolix:

more than one person here has experience with both of these units, maxed out and SAW'd. your staunch refusal to accept their opinion despite having no experience with Nadia herself, combined with your poor reasoning skills and seeming inability to rationalize logical arguments, this leads me to believe you're just arbitrarily saying stuff because you really, really want to be right.

i have used sybilla, olivia, clissa, lyla, erenia, thetis, rakshasa, alice, cornelia, aw prince, etc. on mine and others accounts, many of them at max level or high level AW and with AW skill. even having had experience with all these powerful duelists and fighters, i can definitively say that nadia offers something quite distinct from all of them - something that NONE of them can replicate. and that something is hardly niche; permanent AoE with a considerable ATK/DEF modifier is amazing, as much as you seem to want to deny it.

re: true damage - it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're on about. here's a list of the 'true damage duelists'i that take up a melee slot, and if i forgot someone it's probably not worth mentioning.

claudia - okay damage, cannot handle swarms, cannot tank well.
clissa - good damage, proc chance based. cannot handle swarms. cannot tank near nadia's level.
rakshasa, black majin - reusable token does lots of true damage on low cd, but cannot be healed. cannot handle swarms.
nezha, black hermit - has the stats, but skill(and true damage) only lasts 15s, and has long cd. mediocre with swarms. only blocks while skill is up, otherwise block 0.
hina - low proc chance, mediocre with swarms, low defensive stats, low damage
some swordmasters - one shot skill for high true damage. good against swarms, but not constant ones. can be difficult or impossible to use depending on layout. lacks defensive stats.
sabine - good damage, mediocre with swarms, low defenses.

so yes, pointless comparison since nothing compares. at all. also, nadia damages pretty much everything in the game except an enemy type that NEVER swarms(high-tier golems), i'd say she's pretty solid for low, mid and even high grade swarming.

as for assassination procs, i assume you're talking about berna? she is good anti-swarm, yes, but it is also on a CD and berna herself is a pretty shoddy tank. also, a black. and assassination is worthless when the enemy has .0000001% chance of getting affected(like golems) if you were worried about these mythical golem swarms i talked about before.



re: gellius versus other heavies. the irony is, gellius is actually pretty niche compared to the likes of dina, who nutaku does not yet have. her SAW is pretty epic and her body is big enough to tank pretty much whatever - if the enemies don't die first. yes, this is not what people ask for in an HA, and people complain about the male gold a lot, but i'd honestly use dina over gellius 90% of the time. the other 10% of the time being enemies with over 5kish in damage(6kish in my case; I have lots of passives and b. iris).

re: black iris - she has a very high basic level of healing but will actually heal less than most other healers in the end, even with AWS. her real power, and why she's so broken, is her massive defense buff. against magic you'd be better off with camilla or saria. in fact, saria was the most used unit in the furfur event(demon god tier, ultra difficult). pretty op.

Yeah, I guess black Iris' buff doesn't necessarily negate Saria's ridiculously useful skill.

So just Nanaly, I guess.

I think lolix's favorite point is his insane love for solano and her true damage coupled with gellius tanking the mobs for solano to kill. because 700+ (with buffs and all I guess she'd reach 1k?) true damage is better than 2k aoe smashing physical attack 24/7 since every mob that has to be killed by nadia will easily have more than 1k def.

also apparently gellius is such an amazing tank that when he blocks 5 onis/ghouls and support dps fail to kill them in time, all the other ghouls/onis/kamaitachi can't just run past him and they'll not be an issue at all, yup.

and because of all that, lolix cannot accept that nadia is considered best plat since gellius is better than nadia at what they're supposed to do. since nadia's ability to both tank boss + wipe creeps at the same time is not as good as gellius's ability to facetank said boss and creeps.

I have found myself with a few plat duelists just curious in nutaku. What are the best duelists going by their skill awakening that will come out at some point.

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Feel free to also add any event plats that may be coming up.

Originally Posted by switch

I have found myself with a few plat duelists just curious in nutaku. What are the best duelists going by their skill awakening that will come out at some point.

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Feel free to also add any event plats that may be coming up.

Lilia.

Well, any princess not named Themis, really, but Lilia is love.

Also Rika for true damage.