Thread: plat units = to blacks

Yeah, I'm the dense one when 4+ other people continue to point out how you're wrong.

I'm well aware how both Gellius and Solano work. I have both and religiously use my maxed Solano when I need to worry about cost more than constant AoE DPS (in which case, I use Garania). I don't use Gellius because nothing on our server calls for his level of tanking that I can't substitute with Bernice, Lilia, or Karma if needed.

The fact that you think Gellius, a unit that NEEDS ranged support to accomplish anything, is better than a hybrid duelist/ground AoE anti-swarm unit, speaks volumes about your logic.

Originally Posted by lolix

First of all that's a special case. I can use examples like this to make most niche units seem godlike. I said from the start that nadia , under the right conditions is broken. That being said , have you tried using his skill to increase the block ? Or place an archer instead of a healer ?




Eab it amazed me how dense can YOU be. I just pointed out that gellius is universaly viable vs any type of offense , while leaving enough UP to deploy an universally avaible event unit that does true damage. Meanwhile nadia's offense capabilities are dependant on enemy defenses. Is that really THAT hard to get ?

Its amazing to me you that I realize why play the game how I want. i should just use my 11 aisha to cheese every map :^).

so.....what stops you from using a better archer ?



@unregistred : nothing. You can play however u want. We were just debating on what unit is betetr then other. Most people preffer offense/versatility which is a valid advantage some units have.


I preffer strong frontline and cheap costs. The fact stands that both units are top tier


eab let's not act like nadia doesn't need tanking (for blocking ) support , and up bateries. Also she will probably need more healing assistance while tanking bosses.

Stop it, exk, you're killing me. Oh wait, that's just Gellius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdX1Rwbipco

Originally Posted by lolix

so.....what stops you from using a better archer ?



@unregistred : nothing. You can play however u want. We were just debating on what unit is betetr then other. Most people preffer offense/versatility which is a valid advantage some units have.


I preffer strong frontline and cheap costs. The fact stands that both units are top tier


eab let's not act like nadia doesn't need tanking support , and up bateries. Also she will probably need more healing assistance while tanking bosses.

What stops him from using a cheaper HA? You're the one that wants to argue cost even though it boils down to them more or less coming out the same.

Why does Nadia need *more* ranged support? It was established 50 posts ago that Nadia makes up the minimal difference in HP and skill-less defense by her sheer DPS. Having a single block obviously benefits her in this case. Being able to tank one hit from a golem still puts this in her favor. Yes, she loses a battle of attrition, but that doesn't mean she needs more ranged support ASAP, especially if she can kill her enemies before it reaches that point.

i agree on your last point , but u made it sound like nadia doesn't require support. She requires support just as much as a gelius. It's a team , and no unit can do everything , so yes they will need help. Nadia will require UP bateries , while gelius will require dps assistance. Actually she might even need a blocker behind her to make use of her dps.


Exk , as i said each unit can be made to look good in the right situation. Nadia is an anti swarm. Gelius is a heavy tank.Let's make a vdieo of nadia doing the golem map and compare how well she does with gelius , and see which 1 requires more help then the other

With the kind of dps she pulls out i'd argue most things in existence will be deathinated before they manage to run past her. Don't forget she has a much faster attack speed than mages while dealing a lot more damage per hit as well.

That said, Gellius will need an UP battery too, most units tend to do, it IS the first thing you place after all. But depending on the map you will either need to place a lot of units fast or have a decent amount of time before the next big wave comes in. That is basically the difference between deploying Nadia and something else.

Nobody has argued anything against Gellius being an anti-golem tank.

But I shouldn't need to explain how saying "Gellius + Solano is better than Nadia, therefore Gellius is better than Nadia" is an incredibly flimsy argument. You might as well say "Leanne + Nanaly is better than both, therefore Leanne is better than both".

Something like this?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28457441

the point wasn't that gelius +solano is better.The point was that with the cost of deploying a nadia i could deploy gelis with a solano....or a nanaly or even an aisha for gods sake. Why don't people look at a unit's cost as another stat ?