Thread: plat units = to blacks

Originally Posted by lolix

we're just going to spam another 3-4 pages repeating the same shit and still disagree , so let's end it and just say that each of us values different things in units. That's the beauty of aigis. It allows multiple playstyles. That being said , i don't see how a unit that can be used in literally any case were u need his specific class is worse then a unit that can be used in certain situations (even if in said situation she performs godlike)

You are gloriously backtracking so hard.

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Originally Posted by lolix

we're just going to spam another 3-4 pages repeating the same shit and still disagree , so let's end it and just say that each of us values different things in units. That's the beauty of aigis. It allows multiple playstyles. That being said , i don't see how a unit that can be used in literally any case were u need his specific class is worse then a unit that can be used in certain situations (even if in said situation she performs godlike)

Lol you gave the point yourself. "Can be used in any situation that needs his class" is Gellius's weak point, like the archer gif. He's not universally useful, he's useful in specific situations, just like you were (wrongly) criticizing Nadia for. Nadia on the other hand is useful in a lot more situations, either as a tank, rush unit, or dps. In all these situations she is individually strong, but she's even better in that she can perform all three, while Gellius can only perform 1. So no, Gellius is not "universally good", that's Nadia. He's the situational one, not her.

well. thread has been hilarious. makes it worth coming back to read this.

also, I might as well point out that under most circumstances, gellius + dps support also needs UP generation assistance, not just nadia.
time to go back to farming chloe.

not sure what you've read there, but i said that gelius is less situational then nadia , because he's universally good on any map that requires a heavy , vs all types of damage , while costing only slighty more up then a leanne for example.


You need a heavy ? place gelius. and that's all. There is no better alternative. Hell , he can work even on rush maps because he can block more even if he costs slighty more to deploy. Also he has univerasally high stats : hp , armor , mr , so he doesn't care about the stuff that attacks him.

Meanwhile nadia can't really be deployed on a rush map. There are betetr alternatives for both tanky duelists and for aoe duelists then her that can succesfully replace her to a better effect because they are cheaper. Besides that , her dps also is somewhat situational , so she's not universally good (sure , there aren't many ocasions where she won't deal damage , but still , there are some high resistance bosses that are better of being tanked by something else. In that regards gelius doesn't give a crap. He's universally the best heavy in all tanking departments , while nadia is not universally the best duelist. There are situations where she won't do much for you



I mean think of it like this :


There is no better alternative for gelius on any map ever i n terms of heavy. Realistically speaking , the maps thatt will force you to place a cheaper HA then him will be very few , simply because he costs just 5 more up then a silver. And once you have him on the map , you have the best tank in the game. stat.


Nadia , while a very strong duelist herself gives room for repalcements that might be cheaper , and do the same job almost as well. Also she is neither the best at any of the stuff she does. Yes , she will be insane on most maps , but there will be some isntances where she gets outclassed by other duelists or by other aoe dpsers.

Gelius won't ever be outclassed by another heavy , and realistically speaking the difference in cost between him and cheaper HAs is so low that he won't ever be replaced by a slighty weaker HA just to save UP

Originally Posted by lolix

not sure what you've read there, but i said that gelius is less situational then nadia , because he's universally good on any map that requires a heavy , vs all types of damage , while costing only slighty more up then a leanne for example.


You need a heavy ? place gelius. and that's all. There is no better alternative. Hell , he can work even on rush maps because he can block more even if he costs slighty more to deploy. Also he has univerasally high stats : hp , armor , mr , so he doesn't care about the stuff that attacks him.

Meanwhile nadia can't really be deployed on a rush map. There are betetr alternatives for both tanky duelists and for aoe duelists then her that can succesfully replace her to a better effect because they are cheaper. Besides that , her dps also is somewhat situational , so she's not universally good (sure , there aren't many ocasions where she won't deal damage , but still , there are some high resistance bosses that are better of being tanked by something else. In that regards gelius doesn't give a crap. He's universally the best heavy in all tanking departments , while nadia is not universally the best duelist. There are situations where she won't do much for you



I mean think of it like this :


There is no better alternative for gelius on any map ever i n terms of heavy. Realistically speaking , the maps thatt will force you to place a cheaper HA then him will be very few , simply because he costs just 5 more up then a silver. And once you have him on the map , you have the best tank in the game. stat.


Nadia , while a very strong duelist herself gives room for repalcements that might be cheaper , and do the same job almost as well. Also she is neither the best at any of the stuff she does. Yes , she will be insane on most maps , but there will be some isntances where she gets outclassed by other duelists or by other aoe dpsers.

Gelius won't ever be outclassed by another heavy , and realistically speaking the difference in cost between him and cheaper HAs is so low that he won't ever be replaced by a slighty weaker HA just to save UP

Good job digging the hole deeper m8. You have no idea how hard you are back tracking atm, just admit it you that you refuse to acknowledge you really dont know how easy it is to deploy a all purpose high cost broken unit.

haha ohwow

The difference between a mincost Leanne and a max-cost AW Gellius is 8. That's "slight" to you?

So lemme ask which is better? Min-costed gellius or 2 gellius

There is no such thing as 2 copies of the same character

Well apart from Aisha, that girl is the goddess of death and destruction so it makes sense that she exists in multiple forms.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Good job digging the hole deeper m8. You have no idea how hard you are back tracking atm, just admit it you that you refuse to acknowledge you really dont know how easy it is to deploy a all purpose high cost broken unit.

were the fuck do you see backtracking here when this is exactly the same shit i kept repeating for 3-4 pages here ? like....explain. Where i started backtracking ? Zfrom where to where ? And what did i conceded ?


Yeah eab....because everyone always min-cost every silver ever. That being said , do u want to know what is the difference in cost between nadia and the cheapest possible min costed silver duelist ? A whole lot more. And it doesn't change the fact that nadia won't ever be the best in every instance , while gelius will always be the best tanking option

Presumably someone who actually has Gellius/Nadia has been around long enough to farm silvers from events, and yes, get a mincost Leanne. If not, they're either incompetent at allocating their resources, or they're so new to the game that this situation doesn't matter to them.

It's not like every Leanne you ever get will go towards CC/AW'ing someone. There's always Bernard to fill in that gap. That's like saying you don't have a mincost Phyllis because you save all your copies, even though Crave or even Rosalie are perfectly viable alternatives.

So yes, people should have mincost silvers by some point. Or at least -2. You can't say the same about mincost gacha plats unless said plat is Cypria or Bashira (I myself happen to have -2 of both).

Keep digging that hole of yours, lolix.

Regardless, it's been established that both Gellius/Nadia need UP batteries. Their early "anti-rush" abilities are basically non-existent. Hell, I'd consider needing a UP battery for Leanne, if only because she obviously can't block off a path on her own.

it doesn't change the fact that gellis is the best tanking option AND is easier to place (with the only real option of replacing him being a mincosted silver) , while nadia isn't the best duelist in a lot of instances , and the cost difference between her and ...well pretty much even expensive duelists like black princesses is bigger then the difference between gelius and leanne.


So yeah , i'm digging my hole , while you provide absolutly no argument as to why nadia is better. "Hur durr , 2k dps , hurr durr better then 2 mages." That doesn't make her less situational of a duelist in any way.