Thread: plat units = to blacks

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

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No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

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You keep saying words like "situational" and "universal" like you know what it means but you must not. Nadia isn't limited to being just a duelist. The variety of ways you can use her makes her more "universal" than Gellius will ever be. You're backtracking when you started switching from "Gellius is universally useful" to "he's universally useful when you need HA". That's not universally useful, that's situational to when you need HA ffs. Keep digging, though, I'm sure you'll hit China someday.

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No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

You keep saying words like "situational" and "universal" like you know what it means but you must not. Nadia isn't limited to being just a duelist. The variety of ways you can use her makes her more "universal" than Gellius will ever be. You're backtracking when you started switching from "Gellius is universally useful" to "he's universally useful when you need HA". That's not universally useful, that's situational to when you need HA ffs. Keep digging, though, I'm sure you'll hit China someday.

Are you kidding me ? Ofc i would mention the usefullness of a heavy in an instance that require a heavy. Would u place nadia when you require a healer ? No. You place nadia when you want an antiswarm dps or a duelist. The same goes with gelius. You place him when you need a god damn heavy.

What i meant by universally usefull is gellius's ability to tank both magic and physical damage because of his huge hp pool , armor , mr and very good block. There is not a tank that outstats him in that regards. And as i kept mentioning ,there aren't even situationally better tanks then him. HE IS THE BEST TANK IN EVERY SITUATION. Combined with the fact that his deploying costs aren't that high compared to other heavies , that means you won't have cases were you would need to replace him with a cheaper HA to save UP.

For example Nadia isn't universally usefull in terms of offense , and her costs also means that she won't be the top tier duelist even on some swarm maps....especially if u can place a cheaper dpser that can clear the enemy mobs even if they do way less damage. To that there is the fact that she's a very expensive duelist , and while she has very very high stats , you won't need her to block every boss , especially if u can block with a duelist that costs half her UP and you can deploy another dps or healer behind him. It's also the fact that she isn't even the best duelist vs all bosses. There are some bosses with very high resistance , and there are duelists that can do true damage.


What does that mean ? Nadia is a hybrid , i agree , and she CAN complete different roles in a team , but she is not the ultimate pick to field in every situation that would require said roles. Which is why she is situational. It doesn't matter that u can fill 2-3 rolles , if you get fielded only 20-30% of the time for said role , considering in the rest of cases , there is a unit that is better (and cheaper) then you at that specific role/instance. That does make her more situational then gelius. Meanwhile , Gellius IS the ultimate tank on maps that require tanks. There is also the fact that she is a very costly unit , that makes me conclude that gelius is the better plat.

Originally Posted by lolix

Are you kidding me ? Ofc i would mention the usefullness of a heavy in an instance that require a heavy. Would u place nadia when you require a healer ? No. You place nadia when you want an antiswarm dps or a duelist. The same goes with gelius. You place him when you need a god damn heavy.

What i meant by universally usefull is gellius's ability to tank both magic and physical damage because of his huge hp pool , armor , mr and very good block. There is not a tank that outstats him in that regards. And as i kept mentioning ,there aren't even situationally better tanks then him. HE IS THE BEST TANK IN EVERY SITUATION. Combined with the fact that his deploying costs aren't that high compared to other heavies , that means you won't have cases were you would need to replace him with a cheaper HA to save UP.

For example Nadia isn't universally usefull in terms of offense , and her costs also means that she won't be the top tier duelist even on some swarm maps....especially if u can place a cheaper dpser that can clear the enemy mobs even if they do way less damage. To that there is the fact that she's a very expensive duelist , and while she has very very high stats , you won't need her to block every boss , especially if u can block with a duelist that costs half her UP and you can deploy another dps or healer behind him. It's also the fact that she isn't even the best duelist vs all bosses. There are some bosses with very high resistance , and there are duelists that can do true damage.


What does that mean ? Nadia is a hybrid , i agree , and she CAN complete different roles in a team , but she is not the ultimate pick to field in every situation that would require said roles. Which is why she is situational. It doesn't matter that u can fill 2-3 rolles , if you get fielded only 20-30% of the time for said role , considering in the rest of cases , there is a unit that is better (and cheaper) then you at that specific role/instance. That does make her more situational then gelius. Meanwhile , Gellius IS the ultimate tank on maps that require tanks. There is also the fact that she is a very costly unit , that makes me conclude that gelius is the better plat.

Except, you know... Karma when you don't want to worry about healing. Or literally anyone else when you want said tank to actually do damage.

Yeah, you have no fucking clue what situational means.

yeah , you're acting like karma is a permanent tank vs megabosses or that everyone else will have the staying power that gelius has. Also he's supposed to be a tank and not a damn duelist

Originally Posted by lolix

yeah , you're acting like karma is a permanent tank vs megabosses or that everyone else will have the staying power that gelius has. Also he's supposed to be a tank and not a damn duelist

Actually yea karma is actually a permanent tank vs megabosses. Keep staying in that hole it must be very comfy :3.

Originally Posted by lolix

yeah , you're acting like karma is a permanent tank vs megabosses or that everyone else will have the staying power that gelius has. Also he's supposed to be a tank and not a damn duelist

You act like those are mutually exclusive. Tanks, lightning rods, whatever. Fucking Conrad or Dahlia can accomplish more than Gellius in the right conditions.

I've said before that Gellius wins in a battle of attrition. But to say he's the best tank in every situation is completely wrong. Again, if you can safely DPS the fuck out of something before it can kill anyone, then Gellius is not your answer.

Get a fucking clue already.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

I've said before that Gellius wins in a battle of attrition. But to say he's the best tank in every situation is completely wrong. Again, if you can safely DPS the fuck out of something before it can kill anyone, then Gellius is not your answer.

Get a fucking clue already.

You just admited that he's the unit with the best staying power in the game , but aparently he's not the best tank ? Wut ? Then you speak of tanks , and you say that dpsers make better tanks ? wut again ? You're even contradicting yourself now. Why am i expecting an actual conversation ? And being a tank is not the same thing as being a dpser. Sure , sometimes dps duelists are better then denfesive duelists , but in that case , you don't fucking place a heavy. You place a tank when you need a tank , and gelius is the best tank (need i remind you what a tank is in games before we start arguing again?) duh

Originally Posted by lolix

You just admited that he's the unit with the best staying power in the game , but aparently he's not the best tank ? Wut ? The you speak of tanks , and you say that dpsers make better tanks ? wut again ? You're even contradicting yourself now. Why am i expecting an actual conversation ? And being a tank is not the same thing as being a dpser. Sure , sometimes dps duelists are better then denfesive duelists , but in that case , you don't fucking place a heavy. You place a tank when you need a tank. duh

Because *gasp* Gellius is not the only one doing all the blocking at any given time!

If you need healers elsewhere, or your archers are preoccupied with whatever's in the sky, or you're lacking in AOE or DPS or whatever else, then your argument that Gellius is the best tank in every situation that calls for it falls apart, because your entire argument has hinged on the mistaken notion that Gellius with outside support trumps all else.

No my entire argument hinged on people using their brains. He is the best tank when you actually need a tank. If you have flyers , do you need a tank ? No , you place ranged dps. If you have rush maps or swarms , do you place tanks ? You generally place anti swarmers or aoe dps , yes ?

If you actually do need a tank , gellius is the best.


Edit : yes unregistred , nadia fits exactly said situation : who would have guessed that you place a dps duelist when you need dps ? But even then , she won't be the duelist you place in 100% of cases. Meanwhile , if you nee dto place a heavy on a map , and you have gelius , u can easily place him instead of any other tank

Originally Posted by lolix

You just admited that he's the unit with the best staying power in the game , but aparently he's not the best tank ? Wut ? Then you speak of tanks , and you say that dpsers make better tanks ? wut again ? You're even contradicting yourself now. Why am i expecting an actual conversation ? And being a tank is not the same thing as being a dpser. Sure , sometimes dps duelists are better then denfesive duelists , but in that case , you don't fucking place a heavy. You place a tank when you need a tank , and gelius is the best tank (need i remind you what a tank is in games before we start arguing again?) duh

Wait wait this situation it sounds so familiar where have I heard of this? Oh Nadia, she fits exactly what you said! Thanks for proving everyone's point. I want to crawl in that hole you dug it looks really comfy.

Originally Posted by lolix

HE IS THE BEST TANK IN EVERY SITUATION.

The problem is that he isn't. He is the best tank for high end golem bosses, but you don't really bump into those regularly. Any tank that can do his job, with the same amount of healers, can do a better job if they deal more damage.