Thread: plat units = to blacks

Originally Posted by lolix

it doesn't change the fact that gellis is the best tanking option AND is easier to place (with the only real option of replacing him being a mincosted silver) , while nadia isn't the best duelist in a lot of instances , and the cost difference between her and ...well pretty much even expensive duelists like black princesses is bigger then the difference between gelius and leanne.


So yeah , i'm digging my hole , while you provide absolutly no argument as to why nadia is better. "Hur durr , 2k dps , hurr durr better then 2 mages." That doesn't make her less situational of a duelist in any way.

No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

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Originally Posted by lolix

it doesn't change the fact that gellis is the best tanking option AND is easier to place (with the only real option of replacing him being a mincosted silver) , while nadia isn't the best duelist in a lot of instances , and the cost difference between her and ...well pretty much even expensive duelists like black princesses is bigger then the difference between gelius and leanne.


So yeah , i'm digging my hole , while you provide absolutly no argument as to why nadia is better. "Hur durr , 2k dps , hurr durr better then 2 mages." That doesn't make her less situational of a duelist in any way.

No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

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You keep saying words like "situational" and "universal" like you know what it means but you must not. Nadia isn't limited to being just a duelist. The variety of ways you can use her makes her more "universal" than Gellius will ever be. You're backtracking when you started switching from "Gellius is universally useful" to "he's universally useful when you need HA". That's not universally useful, that's situational to when you need HA ffs. Keep digging, though, I'm sure you'll hit China someday.

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Originally Posted by lolix

it doesn't change the fact that gellis is the best tanking option AND is easier to place (with the only real option of replacing him being a mincosted silver) , while nadia isn't the best duelist in a lot of instances , and the cost difference between her and ...well pretty much even expensive duelists like black princesses is bigger then the difference between gelius and leanne.


So yeah , i'm digging my hole , while you provide absolutly no argument as to why nadia is better. "Hur durr , 2k dps , hurr durr better then 2 mages." That doesn't make her less situational of a duelist in any way.

No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

You keep saying words like "situational" and "universal" like you know what it means but you must not. Nadia isn't limited to being just a duelist. The variety of ways you can use her makes her more "universal" than Gellius will ever be. You're backtracking when you started switching from "Gellius is universally useful" to "he's universally useful when you need HA". That's not universally useful, that's situational to when you need HA ffs. Keep digging, though, I'm sure you'll hit China someday.

You keep ignoring the fact that "being easier to place" doesn't translate to "accomplishing the same task." If I only have enough UP for Gellius but not Nadia, dropping him first won't stop a rush of 6+ goblins.

By your logic, Solano is automatically superior to every mage because she can be placed down first, ignoring that she has a ten-second startup time or that she has a cooldown period. Obviously a mage isn't your first choice to place down in any map, but you'd like to ignore all that whenever it fits your argument.

Not here to argue apples and oranges. I just have a question. Who the heck is Nadia?

Originally Posted by blacksaber

Not here to argue apples and oranges. I just have a question. Who the heck is Nadia?

See post 11.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

See post 11.

Well damn, she's on a dinosaur. Please continue your discussion. I'll gonna (ironically) go level Gellius, and get him ready for awakening.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

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No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

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You keep saying words like "situational" and "universal" like you know what it means but you must not. Nadia isn't limited to being just a duelist. The variety of ways you can use her makes her more "universal" than Gellius will ever be. You're backtracking when you started switching from "Gellius is universally useful" to "he's universally useful when you need HA". That's not universally useful, that's situational to when you need HA ffs. Keep digging, though, I'm sure you'll hit China someday.

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No nadia is pretty much the best hybrid in the game when comes to killing/not dieing as oppose to gellius who only just doesn't die. There is a huge difference here.

You keep saying words like "situational" and "universal" like you know what it means but you must not. Nadia isn't limited to being just a duelist. The variety of ways you can use her makes her more "universal" than Gellius will ever be. You're backtracking when you started switching from "Gellius is universally useful" to "he's universally useful when you need HA". That's not universally useful, that's situational to when you need HA ffs. Keep digging, though, I'm sure you'll hit China someday.

Are you kidding me ? Ofc i would mention the usefullness of a heavy in an instance that require a heavy. Would u place nadia when you require a healer ? No. You place nadia when you want an antiswarm dps or a duelist. The same goes with gelius. You place him when you need a god damn heavy.

What i meant by universally usefull is gellius's ability to tank both magic and physical damage because of his huge hp pool , armor , mr and very good block. There is not a tank that outstats him in that regards. And as i kept mentioning ,there aren't even situationally better tanks then him. HE IS THE BEST TANK IN EVERY SITUATION. Combined with the fact that his deploying costs aren't that high compared to other heavies , that means you won't have cases were you would need to replace him with a cheaper HA to save UP.

For example Nadia isn't universally usefull in terms of offense , and her costs also means that she won't be the top tier duelist even on some swarm maps....especially if u can place a cheaper dpser that can clear the enemy mobs even if they do way less damage. To that there is the fact that she's a very expensive duelist , and while she has very very high stats , you won't need her to block every boss , especially if u can block with a duelist that costs half her UP and you can deploy another dps or healer behind him. It's also the fact that she isn't even the best duelist vs all bosses. There are some bosses with very high resistance , and there are duelists that can do true damage.


What does that mean ? Nadia is a hybrid , i agree , and she CAN complete different roles in a team , but she is not the ultimate pick to field in every situation that would require said roles. Which is why she is situational. It doesn't matter that u can fill 2-3 rolles , if you get fielded only 20-30% of the time for said role , considering in the rest of cases , there is a unit that is better (and cheaper) then you at that specific role/instance. That does make her more situational then gelius. Meanwhile , Gellius IS the ultimate tank on maps that require tanks. There is also the fact that she is a very costly unit , that makes me conclude that gelius is the better plat.

Originally Posted by lolix

Are you kidding me ? Ofc i would mention the usefullness of a heavy in an instance that require a heavy. Would u place nadia when you require a healer ? No. You place nadia when you want an antiswarm dps or a duelist. The same goes with gelius. You place him when you need a god damn heavy.

What i meant by universally usefull is gellius's ability to tank both magic and physical damage because of his huge hp pool , armor , mr and very good block. There is not a tank that outstats him in that regards. And as i kept mentioning ,there aren't even situationally better tanks then him. HE IS THE BEST TANK IN EVERY SITUATION. Combined with the fact that his deploying costs aren't that high compared to other heavies , that means you won't have cases were you would need to replace him with a cheaper HA to save UP.

For example Nadia isn't universally usefull in terms of offense , and her costs also means that she won't be the top tier duelist even on some swarm maps....especially if u can place a cheaper dpser that can clear the enemy mobs even if they do way less damage. To that there is the fact that she's a very expensive duelist , and while she has very very high stats , you won't need her to block every boss , especially if u can block with a duelist that costs half her UP and you can deploy another dps or healer behind him. It's also the fact that she isn't even the best duelist vs all bosses. There are some bosses with very high resistance , and there are duelists that can do true damage.


What does that mean ? Nadia is a hybrid , i agree , and she CAN complete different roles in a team , but she is not the ultimate pick to field in every situation that would require said roles. Which is why she is situational. It doesn't matter that u can fill 2-3 rolles , if you get fielded only 20-30% of the time for said role , considering in the rest of cases , there is a unit that is better (and cheaper) then you at that specific role/instance. That does make her more situational then gelius. Meanwhile , Gellius IS the ultimate tank on maps that require tanks. There is also the fact that she is a very costly unit , that makes me conclude that gelius is the better plat.

Except, you know... Karma when you don't want to worry about healing. Or literally anyone else when you want said tank to actually do damage.

Yeah, you have no fucking clue what situational means.

yeah , you're acting like karma is a permanent tank vs megabosses or that everyone else will have the staying power that gelius has. Also he's supposed to be a tank and not a damn duelist

Originally Posted by lolix

yeah , you're acting like karma is a permanent tank vs megabosses or that everyone else will have the staying power that gelius has. Also he's supposed to be a tank and not a damn duelist

Actually yea karma is actually a permanent tank vs megabosses. Keep staying in that hole it must be very comfy :3.

Originally Posted by lolix

yeah , you're acting like karma is a permanent tank vs megabosses or that everyone else will have the staying power that gelius has. Also he's supposed to be a tank and not a damn duelist

You act like those are mutually exclusive. Tanks, lightning rods, whatever. Fucking Conrad or Dahlia can accomplish more than Gellius in the right conditions.

I've said before that Gellius wins in a battle of attrition. But to say he's the best tank in every situation is completely wrong. Again, if you can safely DPS the fuck out of something before it can kill anyone, then Gellius is not your answer.

Get a fucking clue already.