Much as I loath to make a thread about only this, but... Awakening opinions?

[buttlover]

Consider this - marribel , which is a plat heavy , with holy awakening. Holy awakening makes marribels stats black tier.

I also thought that was true as well, until recently where I got to try out maribel myself in dmm's daily revival.
She is HIGHLY situational, is the best way to put it.

Her normal stats are even worse than leeanne's, a silver unit.
And the waiting time for her ability has forced me to dismiss her early more than once.
That shit is scary.

Well, i guess it wont matter to most newbies till her revival comes and they can test it themselves.

[lolix]

Ofc she is situational. All holy awakening units are. They have crapier stats in general to compensate for their huge increase in stats during skill usage.

As i said , marribel during skill has black tier stats. The problem is that you have to time her deployment just right

[IvanLedah21]

Ofc she is situational. All holy awakening units are. They have crapier stats in general to compensate for their huge increase in stats during skill usage.

As i said , marribel during skill has black tier stats. The problem is that you have to time her deployment just right

And some maps might not let you, between tight UP and wave timing/composition. Which is why if you have Bernice, Gellius or Deine, you might as well forget Maribel altogether (ok that's a bit of an exaggeration but those 3 are so easy to fit into tanking situations that it's like "why bother with a unit that requires special timing when you have X unit that does the same thing without such a requirement, even if they're weaker in the OPTIMAL situation?")

[MalusCorvus]

Do they? I might have missed that post, I always thought its mostly flying units being unarmored and archers dealing the highest dmg when dealing with unarmored units.

Yeah, archers get bonus damage against fliers, as mentioned. Which I've always thought was funny from a game design perspective, how archers in games often get bonuses against flying units, but that's for another time...

[lolix]

And some maps might not let you, between tight UP and wave timing/composition. Which is why if you have Bernice, Gellius or Deine, you might as well forget Maribel altogether (ok that's a bit of an exaggeration but those 3 are so easy to fit into tanking situations that it's like "why bother with a unit that requires special timing when you have X unit that does the same thing without such a requirement, even if they're weaker in the OPTIMAL situation?")

You do realize that marribels skill cd/timing is irelevant i the context of what i was saying ...

I was talking about her sheer stats during skill usage , and was saying how LEANNE has literally the same defense....while also having generally better stats then marrible without skill usage.



Point i was trying to make was that leanne is a pretty good tank to have...probably better then garret (well , better then cc garret , not AW garret - for the simple fact that he gains like 1k hp over her after awakening) , considering he lacks bernice or gelius or deine

[buttlover]

Ofc she is situational. All holy awakening units are. They have crapier stats in general to compensate for their huge increase in stats during skill usage.

As i said , marribel during skill has black tier stats. The problem is that you have to time her deployment just right

It just felt weird to me when people used to praise maribel as one of the top plats while the other one with the same ability Emilia gets shit on as a bad unit.
Guess it shows the just how core the role of HA (and now MA) played at the start of aigis, at least compared to duelists.

[kayfabe]

I was talking about her sheer stats during skill usage , and was saying how LEANNE has literally the same defense....while also having generally better stats then marrible without skill usage.

That's not completely off-base, but unfortunately a lot of Maribel's "Black Tier" stats are allocated to her offense and aren't terribly representative of the kind of stats people really look for in a tank. Beating Mari out in defense is impressive but not quite enough to make people overlook a silver tier hp total. Leeanne is as good of a low rarity unit as you could ever hope for but looking at high health off-tank classes is definitely an intriguing alternative when you've already got a black healer up and running to help support it.

[IvanLedah21]

Basically, Maribel crushes Leanne in offense during skill usage, but you don't deploy a HA for offense 99% of the time (Skill AW Deine might be an exception), and since Leanne nearly ties her in defense WHILE SHE HAS "Black Tier stats" that means Leanne is clearly viable for tanking a good deal of the content we have. But Kayfabe has a good point in pointing out Leanne's lack of HP can be an issue, so Elva looks like a good option

Leanne at CC50: 1931 HP, 507 Defense, 811 Defense during skill
Elva CC70: 2451 HP, 309 Defense
Elva AW1: 2228 HP, 306 Defense, 459 Defense under 50% HP
Elva: AW 90: 3064 HP, 460 Defense, 690 Defense under 50% HP

Obviously, most Elva users will have her somewhere between 1 and 90 AW lol. Elva gets crushed defensively during skill, without it's pretty even despite the Defense gap due to the HP gap and the AW passive potentially coming into play depending on how much heal support she gets vs. damage incoming. On the other hand, she obviously obliterates Leanne offensively, which means killing whatever is attacking her MUCH sooner without ranged support.

Worth mentioning Leanne's skill won't come into play until 30 seconds after deployment.

[lolix]

also worth mentioning that 1 is a silver rarity unit which will cost just another silver to cc , while the other is an AW plat unit which is a whole deal more expensive.


For what she is meant to do , leanne IS REALLY good...especially for her rarity. Id argue that she has stats/power over her rarity , but thats besides the point.

As it stands , she IS A BETTER TANK THEN garret....obviously unless u awaken garret (which is a bit of a waste IMO) , and even then , she still has the better defensive skill while garret is more of a bruiser then a tank. And considering that a heavy blocks 4 past awakening , i dunno if thats really advantageous for an offensive Heavy....unless your name is deine , ofc

[kayfabe]

Yeah, I'm just trying to stress that sometimes the relative rankings are mostly academic. Heavies can often tank as well as a unit a tier or two higher, but that cuts both ways--some units can basically work like a blinged out Leanne.