Thread: Claire and Misha are in the shrine.

Originally Posted by Samyy

point out first your talking about dmm..before all the retards start commenting and pin pointing this is wrong n that is :v
1. no map i have seen starts without 10 uc..which means you could easily pin a katie/plat soldier anywhere in the map and get your vanguard units up ._. the reason people still use mischa in"guide" videos is for newbie silver users only because those are units you can relate to and dummies can ditto their map on. refering back to my statement.
2. thats one nasty use you put on that lil silver fluff tail..
assuming you are talking about the black valk reshia..she is a duelist.mischa is not(or cannot) ...even so mincosted reshia/lecia will be better as 20 lvl 30% non aff vs mischa 50uncc ed(u wanna cc mischa ?o.O)50%aff because of instant skill

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nd wtf some retard is comparing gold unit dextrosity with plat units e.e..gg claire may u find justice among men who understood you better

1) There are maps where Katie's skill won't be usable in time for the early rush and most players do not have the platinum soldiers. Even if they have the plats, no reason you can't use a cheap UP ramp for extra points in certain maps. Also, you really ought to stop saying stuff like "newbie silver users" and "dummies can ditto their map on" because it really makes you come across as a whale that looks down on non-whales. The fact there are some players who have played since launch and still occasionally use silver units means silvers are not newbie-exclusive units.

2) Using her for what she's meant to be used for is a nasty use?

3) Why would you bring up a black unit to compare to a silver unit? Blacks are designed to be OP (though some aren't used as often, like Berna)

4) The point of the posts is Claire is comparable to platinum units of the same class, while being more likely to show up in Shrine due to lower rarity. In other words, she's not useless even if you have been playing a while (unless all your plat archers are AW already, then maybe not)

Isn't Samyy the new FarK? Probably not someone worth paying attention to anyway.

Originally Posted by Samyy

point out first your talking about dmm..before all the retards start commenting and pin pointing this is wrong n that is :v
1. no map i have seen starts without 10 uc..which means you could easily pin a katie/plat soldier anywhere in the map and get your vanguard units up ._. the reason people still use mischa in"guide" videos is for newbie silver users only because those are units you can relate to and dummies can ditto their map on. refering back to my statement.
2. thats one nasty use you put on that lil silver fluff tail..
assuming you are talking about the black valk reshia..she is a duelist.mischa is not(or cannot) ...even so mincosted reshia/lecia will be better as 20 lvl 30% non aff vs mischa 50uncc ed(u wanna cc mischa ?o.O)50%aff because of instant skill

To be fair, the reason people whine at you about DMM all the time is because you make ridiculous comparisons and constantly insult people that still play on nutaku. Not to mention your constant whale logic as if everyone has every black unit in existence (except you still don't have Mikoto, ahaha).

As for your points:
1. In fact the last map of the current farm event on DMM only starts you out with 5 UP and you need to get up blockers fast for some demon thingies that come.

2. She is perfect for it though. Able to be placed at the cost of only 8 UP just after i placed Katie. Yes i meant Reshia/Lecia the black valk. She stands at 12 cost when mincosted.

Placing her on that last map after my soldier is incredibly risky and she might not be fast enough to tank the unit i wanted her to tank. Misha on the other hand comes at 8 UP mincosted and CC'd and i've had her for eons at that because i had her way before Lecia. You don't need a high damage unit on that map, even if Misha deals great damage for a silver. Thus i used her to block something my other units would not have managed, as well as her having a heal skill since i did not place a healer anywhere near her.

Point in case - sure Misha barely ever sees use for me anymore, but sometimes she might. Don't go using your whale logic everywhere thinking everyone has 20 copies of every plat+ valk mincosted and ready to roll.

Adding to Tenhou's points, in the far future where we get level 55 silvers, Mischa gets an additional 25% physical evasion passive which adds more to her survivability rate as an early drop unit. I've used her sometimes myself just to build some UP and not worry about her dying because of her self-heal and evasion.

Claire actually has a use due to her uptime and anti-armor. At close to max SU and AW status, she can actually challenge Bashira when enemies have a bit of def (which will get pretty common at later stages of the game). I have experienced the difference between AW claire and bashira personally during Majin Vepar Lv5 myself on dmm (way too far ahead, honestly), and while her use is honestly minimal for veterans (just like Misha), it's not worthless in the long run to level them as low~mid priority units.

Originally Posted by Samyy

so you are telling me the same place where you can place mischa you will fail the map if you place katie or lecia? we have started dmm on the same day...please tell me which map is it because till date i never used any valk in a map and i had no prob even in subjugation. and mischa would die to anything above a purple goblin rush e.e
tf ivanledah shut up, she mentioned dmm not nutaku so keep yer fingers busy somewhere else.. you dont even play something like that or even if you do its with some free units so mischa reshia how does it even matter to you. for you any unit is good because its free..same for that eab noob e.e
and its not whale logic...if you even need to use a valk..which you actually dont in either we were given that gold valk for free...that too lvl 30 so ?:v
and up cost 8 my ass...all maps start with 10 up

Out of all units that I can remember atm, Only Cuterie has self heal skill like Misha. And Cuterie does less damage, has less hp/def than Misha does and only surpasses misha when awakened.

Which gives a suggestion that Misha can be safely without a healer against swarms of weak enemies and generate UP at same time. While Cuterie is a gold assassin, and doesn't generate UP.

I still can remember subjugation the one that had Waltz dancer in, my Elaine generated quite a bit of UP herself from killing all those goblins for faster ramp.

Yes Katie is tougher than Misha at CC60. Generates 15 UP at every 34 second after the first reinforcement.

So generally it all depends on what kind of army a player is using on what map.

And it should be remembered that Katie costs 13 UP to deploy while Misha costs 11 UP.

Maybe his type of army works better with Misha as lead while your works better with Katie as lead or something else.

Originally Posted by Samyy

so you are telling me the same place where you can place mischa you will fail the map if you place katie or lecia? we have started dmm on the same day...please tell me which map is it because till date i never used any valk in a map and i had no prob even in subjugation. and mischa would die to anything above a purple goblin rush e.e
tf ivanledah shut up, she mentioned dmm not nutaku so keep yer fingers busy somewhere else.. you dont even play something like that or even if you do its with some free units so mischa reshia how does it even matter to you. for you any unit is good because its free..same for that eab noob e.e
and its not whale logic...if you even need to use a valk..which you actually dont in either we were given that gold valk for free...that too lvl 30 so ?:v
and up cost 8 my ass...all maps start with 10 up

I already said it's the last map of the last event. It had many paths. First i placed Katie and then i needed something that was cheap enough to be placed before it reached the imperial soldier i had to defend on that map. Misha does this nicely by costing 8UP and Lecia would be too expensive and the demon would attack the soldier instead.

For your information, i said the map started with 5 UP. Don't call bullshit if you haven't run the map yourself.

As has been said though, Misha is great for a silver and those that lack valks can find good use in her. It is whale logic when you say "i have never needed to place a valk" because you assume everyone has the units that you got.

Also, please. "Misha dies to anything above purple goblins." How about no? She's a FUCKING MONSTER that beats the shit out of most things that aren't bosses.

Originally Posted by Samyy

so you are telling me the same place where you can place mischa you will fail the map if you place katie or lecia? we have started dmm on the same day...please tell me which map is it because till date i never used any valk in a map and i had no prob even in subjugation. and mischa would die to anything above a purple goblin rush e.e
tf ivanledah shut up, she mentioned dmm not nutaku so keep yer fingers busy somewhere else.. you dont even play something like that or even if you do its with some free units so mischa reshia how does it even matter to you. for you any unit is good because its free..same for that eab noob e.e
and its not whale logic...if you even need to use a valk..which you actually dont in either we were given that gold valk for free...that too lvl 30 so ?:v
and up cost 8 my ass...all maps start with 10 up

Bold part made me LOL. I'm likely one of Nutaku Aigis' biggest whales, but oh, you don't actually bother to remember what other people say, do you? I've said numerous times in various threads that I have units like Minerva, Aisha, Nanaly, Sophie, Olivie, Sybilla, Despara... in fact the only Nutaku blacks I DON'T have are Cornelia, Mikoto, Estelle, Grace and Clissa, plus the event blacks Karma and Anya. Hell, I have a min-costed Berna (only wish my min-costed black was Nanaly or Aisha lol)

Ericridge and Tenhou already addressed the rest of your BS.

Dat wall of text... Gonna read em all!

I did read it all and considering i have AW Spica, AW Bashira, cc70 Rita (and even not to count cc60 shao) i hardly belive i will see any much use for Claire. Its too late for her to shine for me. Maybe if we get 3 star rushes with her so we can easy cu and cr her... then propably. But thats unlikely.