Not to be a jerk or anything, but... your post comes across as "what the hell is wrong with you guys, doing X instead of Y??" and the horrific grammar and spelling make it hard to read.Originally Posted by Samyy
1) 4 Liches in one map is significantly harder than a lot of maps we have here in Nutaku, not everyone has Claudia (new players might have missed her event) and I'm not sure why you're bringing up Elaine.
2) Nanaly can melt black armors through sheer volume of arrows, especially if buffed by Prince and AW Spica (and maybe AW Uzume and/or Uzume's skill)
3) Sophie can tank multiple liches due to massive HP AND MR. Olivie's horrid HP means she can tank only the KotD or maybe 2 liches, not the King AND a lich, or whatever.
4) Elizabeth is actually a very good unit, especially AW vs. Undead, and if his Elizabeth is dying then he probably isn't using Lightning rods appropriately. Also, if you're criticizing the use of Nanaly why would you bring up the Bashira/Spica combo in a discussion about this map? And new players especially are VERY unlikely to have the heavy-duty nukers like Farne, Garania or Odette.
5) Chydis was a limited-time availability unit. Even people who have played for over a year may not have her, myself included. AW Iris does the job fine, especially since Nutaku doesn't have all the really tough maps that DMM Aigis has. Also, unless they lucked out and pulled Camilla or Liana, most players on Nutaku have to make do with Iris, Fedora, Robert and the Silver healers. Of those, Iris is the best burst healer.
6) Rika's event may have been missed by several players. Or they may not have leveled her yet as she is undeniably a niche unit and most people focus on Spica and Bashira, as well as Nanaly and/or Elizabeth if they have them. Either way, don't assume everyone has a currently-viable Rika ready to pop in.
7) Farne and Sophie undoubtedly make this map a heck of a lot easier. Guess what? They're both Shrine-only black units. VERY FEW people have them.
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Everyone needs to install a Douchebag filter in their brain like I have and just move along with the subject. You don't come across as a jerk, unlike the person you're quoting. Originally Posted by IvanLedah21
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Pretty much agree with IvanLedah21's entire counterargument with special notice to using Elizabeth on map 7.
For AWed Elizabeth, that whole map is her kill zone because its nothing but pure undead enemies. Yes, she doesn't have an Archer's range, but that isn't the problem when she gets +15 range as a AWed ability and when placed towards the top on that map range is a non-issue. Plus who can say no to a unit with permanent triple shot autos that comes with an attack speed increase skill.
On another, slightly less painful note, farmed Innocent Madness for what felt like millennia but got no more Calliope drops for my own Elizabeth. Only Assals that I'm now swimming in and 1 Giovanni.
Least I was able to sneak out an extra Elaine out of this event, now I just have to hope for a HA from 2k summons for CCing our August event unit.
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Well there goes the long awaited event, didn't complete it 100% but managed to at least get 21 stars. This will be my first CRed and SU unit so I am quite happy about that hopefully I can keep it up for the events that follow. Didn't do to bad with farming either though it took me a very long time to get the Calliope I need to AW Yuyu and Sybilla.
I had much better luck farming Daniela which I needed 4 of to AW Spica. This is what I farmed:
Well back to lvling my units again and prep for the next event.
I know your pain, I hope you managed to get some Calliope's. When I first started farming that map I got 2 of her dropped and thought I was having some good luck by the end of week one I had only gotten 1 more of her bringing my total to 3 Calliope. I gave up and went on to farming the other units I need which didn't put up as much of a fight. Once I got them went back to farming Calliope and managed to score another 3. Just enough to AW Sybilla and my Yuyu. Originally Posted by Kamahari Akuma
I needed more but luck wasn't on my side for that got nothing from my farming today before the event ended.
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Yeah, next event doesn't promise much about fodder units... RIP Daughter of the King of the Dead event. You were so perfect and very kind with your RNG towards me, but it's time to unwillingly move on. You will be missed v_v
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I got all that i needed but sadly no additional archers and healers to cc marnie or waltz. That was just an extra to begin with though.
My statistics for those who care:
Managed to get enough to CC Rita, CC&AW Spica, AW Iris, AW Sherry, CC Mehlis (fodder for main mehlis), CC Fedora (fodder for main fedora), CC Leanne and -2UP 4/5 Skill her, CC Pallis, 3/5 skill my Bernard thanks to Sanosukes thrown at him and CC the upcoming event Valk. Considering i spend 20 SC i still find this result pleasuring enough, it was much needed.
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That's a lot, though considering 20 SC it's possible. I have no event unit outside of Imelia and Waltz and got no luck with the gacha either ( my major silver income is from 2k summon, PS net me a full 4 gold healer Iris + Robert and no Fedora beside Olivie and Berna so I just got enough silver to AW Katie, Iris and Olivie ( I can AW Imelia but Katie take priority first) and that's still occupy my entire barrack force me to use some SC for expansion. Originally Posted by Nero010
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berna and olivie are better then most free players mate. I for example have a lvl 192 account with no black (other then saki ofc) and a second (lvl 189) with just 1 black.
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I know Originally Posted by lolix
Just want to point out that I don't really have much need for AW since beside those two I practically stick with healer until this event ( 2 draw and pull out Mehlis and Gina, so glad to have Mehlis since I don't have to farm event map for Pallis, I still can't pass Danger in the Oasis)
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@Sammyy: You are doing it again. Please, at least care enough to use capital letters. Your post is almost unreadable as it is
Now, speaking of 6. Did I at any of my two messages pertaining this matter ever said that our Gold Iris is better than Platinum Chydis? In fact,Here, I clearly said that Chydis is more potent healer of the two. Originally Posted by ZeroZet
What I was trying to convey is what, while more powerful, at that particular instance AW Chydis was not in any capacity absolutely necessary, as AW Iris at that particular instance would be able to fulfil her role well enough. And given the sheer impossibility to actually obtain Chydis for any player that started after the fabled time of myths that was TP rotation time, the possibility to replace Chydis with a unit freely given to every player is a significant argument for the usability of that solution to wider audience.
Maybe we will see a Trading Post rotation in the future when Nutaku actually takes over the implementation of content. Probably even. But here and now, for any player that started after the last rotation, Chydis. Does. Not. Exist. When she begins to exist (in other words, when people will be able to obtain her) once more, only God knows. So if you advice players to sit on their thumbs without levelling (and Awakening, for better stats at minimum, as lack of powerful heals hurts) any good healer til then... I sincerely hope you are joking. Insufficient healing kills. Banking on some vague undefined "might be" in such a crucial aspect is plain stupid.
Do remember that for any player that started recently and didn't have luck to pull Camilla or even Fedora from Premium Gacha, healing options would be limited to silvers and, guess who, Iris. Even should he be able to pull Fedora, utility of instant heal on placement that awakening of Iris bring to the table far outweighs single cost reduction that Fedora's awakening has as far as tactical versatility go. So in our current situation, Iris is far from being only useful as a fodder. I would go as far as say she's enabling even, for raising her will help player to clear more difficult content right away, without watching it go away while waiting for some "plat" that nobody knows when it might appear.
And, DMM is DMM. Nutaku is Nutaku. Not only DMM version has two years worth more content compared to our side, they also lived through several waves of unit rebalancing patches, so any comparison between two versions should be done with extra care.
Now, addressing 7, do note I was talking about last map, not the Slay, second-to-last map what indeed requires no heavy. And, to note, the last map features no Lich King to kill...
I would seriously love to see the strategy of 3*'ing said last map without a heavy armor, for future reference, so if you have a video do share it please. It would be interesting to see what kind of hard to substitute resources (like AW gacha plats or blacks) it takes to pull off.
And of course... Archer and even the Vampire Hunter can't kill the lich? O.o So, every videos of Bashira or Spica taking care of liches on the left side of a Slay before King shows up, a video of AW Elizabeth burning through entirety the Lich King's health bar in no time flat, all of them are fake? You opened my eyes to this great conspiracy, fer sure.
Fact is, for Awakened Vampire Hunter entirety of the last event would be the best moment to shine. Why? Class bonus against undeads, pretty much only kind of enemy we faced. Sure, they would not survive against liches on Slay for long without a lightning rod, but who in his right mind would ever allow them to face liches without lightning rod anyway?Last edited by ZeroZet; 07-27-2016 at 10:33 PM.
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