Thread: Balance Patch happen on DMM. Some things we can look forward to for what we have....

Originally Posted by soranokira

atk reduced by approximately 5% for valks, the UP reduction makes them MUCH more usable in early deploy for UP generation instead of almost katie 1st all the time.

The attack power nerf doesn't even really hurt Elaine or Kerry that badly since they were already stuck in that awkward sub-500 damage tier anyway--they both have a bad habit of barely leaving a standard goblin alive with one blow before massively over-killing it with the second hit, something that doesn't really mesh well with UP gain per kill. The new changes won't change that dynamic entirely, but at least now the low tier valks should be cheap enough that you can easily field a cleanup crew behind them to take care of the leaks.

I suppose the trade-off is that they'll be slightly worse duelists than before but whatever, I already preferred Conrad, Mortimer and their mighty beer guts for that job anyway.

Originally Posted by kayfabe

The attack power nerf doesn't even really hurt Elaine or Kerry that badly since they were already stuck in that awkward sub-500 damage tier anyway--they both have a bad habit of barely leaving a standard goblin alive with one blow before massively over-killing it with the second hit, something that doesn't really mesh well with UP gain per kill. The new changes won't change that dynamic entirely, but at least now the low tier valks should be cheap enough that you can easily field a cleanup crew behind them to take care of the leaks.

I suppose the trade-off is that they'll be slightly worse duelists than before but whatever, I already preferred Conrad, Mortimer and their mighty beer guts for that job anyway.

If anything they were duelists if only because they have the HP bulk and MR that made them very useful for dealing with enemies that dealt nothing but magic damage, ex. Liches. Beyond that? If you have decent healer support bandits could fill that role since bandits have crap tons of HP and usually run Risk Life of various ranks which is golden vs magic enemies since defense didn't matter anyways so in that case its okay to lose it for maximum damage output.

Agreed. That's part of why my thoughts while posting were particularly focused on Elaine. She's got a dab of MR but her skill and mediocre defense score don't help her at all against liches so the poor girl really needs to be cheaper if she ever expects to come off the bench. Dahlia's an OK unit too but really the only valkyrie I've ever chased is Thetis and that's just because I'll need an anti-paralysis unit post awakening and started too late to get Rowanna.

Originally Posted by kayfabe

Agreed. That's part of why my thoughts while posting were particularly focused on Elaine. She's got a dab of MR but her skill and mediocre defense score don't help her at all against liches so the poor girl really needs to be cheaper if she ever expects to come off the bench. Dahlia's an OK unit too but really the only valkyrie I've ever chased is Thetis and that's just because I'll need an anti-paralysis unit post awakening and started too late to get Rowanna.

all hail Lilia.
also, I kinda want both dahlia and thetis.

We are way behind on the earlier balance patches. Anyone looking forward to this patch should make some noise about it, or expect to wait 2+ years.

Originally Posted by Koto

We are way behind on the earlier balance patches. Anyone looking forward to this patch should make some noise about it, or expect to wait 2+ years.

seeing as how we havent even gotten AW, I doubt making noise would help. will just have to wait for it to come after a long period of time

The Attack Speed increase for Pirates has it made them more viable compared to Archer or are Archers still preferred?

Originally Posted by Buster Wolf

The Attack Speed increase for Pirates has it made them more viable compared to Archer or are Archers still preferred?

Depends.

Does it also come with Pirates getting Quadra shot :P

Originally Posted by Kamahari Akuma

Depends.

Does it also come with Pirates getting Quadra shot :P

Well Monica attacks like 5.5 times a second with her skill... does that count?

Originally Posted by Buster Wolf

The Attack Speed increase for Pirates has it made them more viable compared to Archer or are Archers still preferred?

archers are still the only class that gets attack boost against flying units in DMM, and pirates still attack slower than archer. my understanding is that only Minerva the black pirate, and Maurette the gold pirate (gold get AW ability and becomes a cannonneer,physical aoe, on skill), are worth using.