Thread: At this point, I am no longer surprised

Originally Posted by lolix

think : do you think there is someone that doesn't wants events at all? Now look what the people are writing. It's ridiculous how people blow things out of proportion

It's not "ridiculously blown out of proportion".

You seem to constantly miss just how bad things were back then, and how adamant we are about not going back to those times.

I don't have any sympathy for the newer players demanding to be spoonfed breaks when the game is faster for them now (which is for their benefit, even if they can't see it as such) than it was back then.

Just to get the message across, here is the timeline for the first few months of the game.
-Launch date: 2/12/2015
-Belinda's event: 3/17 (one month into the game's release)
-Dragon Invasion part 1: 4/3
-Dragon Invasion part 2: 4/28
-Challenge of the Holy Warrior: 5/19
-Karma: 6/16

So with the exception of Dragon Invasion, that's basically one event a month. You want to go back to that shit? Because I sure as hell don't.

eab find my first or second (can't remember which 1 was it) , regarding the breaks topic on the ninja guide , and tell me what exactly have i written in it. I think you even quoted me on it. Now look at what you're speculating that i'm suggesting , and tell me if you see no difference. That being said , i care little about your opinion towards how the game should treat new players. I think i'm right and that's that. Also i'm done dealing with this shit.

I know perfectly well what your argument is, and as I've said time and again, it's bullshit.

Your antagonism for people who prefer constant events over breaks is solely because you want newer players like yourself to not get burned out or gated by their difficulty (good job not addressing my last post explaining how newbies could easily do a few maps of Azami's map and not be completely worse off from it), ignoring how the breaks were always there and you always had a choice to ignore the events/prioritize dailies, or how even newer players are currently feeling the burnout from the lack of meaningful activity.

Disregarding personal opinions or things such as who is right and who is wrong (which I think it's foolish because what we all want is for this game to continue growing instead of falling into the risk of becoming stagnant and dying out, regardless on the opinion of breaks), fact is fact. If Nutaku wants to maintain this game in good health, they must treat its players accordingly. It's not just events or lack of them, it's rewarding them or even giving away some freebies from time to time to keep them content. They were on a good path up until before Christmas. They gave us some SC's during Black Friday and a lot of events almost nonstop with the occasional break here and there. I liked the pacing they had then. Then something that we don't know happened and "this" began. Events are a way to "pressure" people into going p2w, which means a net gain for Nutaku. Many people won't get burned out of the game because of constant breaks with nothing to do but senseless farming. Don't get me wrong, with Comission Sortie nowadays it's not that bad, just more boring. You do your stuff in like 15 minutes and then you can forget about the game for 12 hours or so. However, I prefer boring to the absolute hell that was MWA before Comission Sortie. I skipped about 2-3 weeks of level farming because I was fed up of that. Decided to stop until Comission Sortie was implemented. I'm sure had I continued doing those missions I would've just quit the game.

So the fact is as follows: more events means more situations in which people are tempted to put in a few coins. People enjoy new content. Thats a win/win situation both for the player and the company. However, if the situation remains as it is right now (Break + Gold Rush + Break + Azami + Break) the amount of money Nutaku gets from MWA will diminish and I'm pretty sure some people will end up quitting. I can live and I understand something like a star event/gold rush or one week break per month (gold rushes and star events can be also used as break time) and I think it's the best approach for both Nutaku and the playerbase. I would prefer constant events but I'm fine with that as well.

Oh, and don't forget we are also missing things like a ton of story missions. It's not just events. I'm sure they will release many things at once (new dailies, AW, and story missions) and suddenly we will have a ton of things to do at the same time. I'm pretty sure someone will complain about it. You can never please everyone at the same time after all.

I sincerely hope there is some sort of problem between DMM and Nutaku. Because if this is Nutaku being a bunch of lazy asses I will be pissed, because if I remember correctly there is no tower defense game that follows this model in English (don't know about Korean/Japanese, but they are another target) which allows them to be more lazy if they want to because players only have this tower defense game to play (it's not the same situation as with other games such as Lord of Valkyrie or Pero Pero to say something, which incidentally have a ton of events).

Originally Posted by Eab1990

I know perfectly well what your argument is, and as I've said time and again, it's bullshit.

Your antagonism for people who prefer constant events over breaks is solely because you want newer players like yourself to not get burned out or gated by their difficulty (good job not addressing my last post explaining how newbies could easily do a few maps of Azami's map and not be completely worse off from it), ignoring how the breaks were always there and you always had a choice to ignore the events/prioritize dailies, or how even newer players are currently feeling the burnout from the lack of meaningful activity.

oh please. If they could do the first 3 maps , its good....maybe the 4th one as well if they have a couple cc-ed units. Whatever , you're still missing the point...or trying very hard to not see it. I said COUNTLESS TIMES THAT I DISLIKE THE CURENT STATE OF AFAIRS IF IT CONTINUES IN THE SAME DIRECTION WE HAD FOR THE PAST MONTH.

But having breaks from time to time is still a good ideea. once a month , or after 3-4 events in a row is not too much to ask.


That being said , both my accounts are 160+ atm , and both my core teams are maxed. Sure i've took advantage on the breaks to max other stuff (like betty in preparation for AW) , but my core team is ok. Excepting some male aff items , right now i even have extra resources. Probably far from your reserves , but enough to be able to do at least a couple events without a break. So no , not exactly a newbie (even tho , for someone over 200 , i must seem an amateur). The thing is , i personally don't even need the breaks as much now , but i agree that it would still benefit me if we had some FROM TIME TO TIME , to restock a bit. And because of that , and as a f2p i can see how breaks could benefit newer players. Obviously not as often as we have right now, and especially not after star events or gold rushes , but having a bit of downtime once ever 3-4 events is not THAT much to ask.

Meanwhile....you ? You're a hypocrite. You're claiming that you care about the game and whatnot , but i'm guessing that you're just a bored whale

Originally Posted by lolix

oh please. If they could do the first 3 maps , its good....maybe the 4th one as well if they have a couple cc-ed units. Whatever , you're still missing the point...or trying very hard to not see it. I said COUNTLESS TIMES THAT I DISLIKE THE CURENT STATE OF AFAIRS IF IT CONTINUES IN THE SAME DIRECTION WE HAD FOR THE PAST MONTH.

But having breaks from time to time is still a good ideea. once a month , or after 3-4 events in a row is not too much to ask.


That being said , both my accounts are 160+ atm , and both my core teams are maxed. Sure i've took advantage on the breaks to max other stuff (like betty in preparation for AW) , but my core team is ok. Excepting some male aff items , right now i even have extra resources. Probably far from your reserves , but enough to be able to do at least a couple events without a break. So no , not exactly a newbie (even tho , for someone over 200 , i must seem an amateur). The thing is , i personally don't even need the breaks as much now , but i agree that it would still benefit me if we had some FROM TIME TO TIME , to restock a bit. And because of that , and as a f2p i can see how breaks could benefit newer players. Obviously not as often as we have right now, and especially not after star events or gold rushes , but having a bit of downtime once ever 3-4 events is not THAT much to ask.

Meanwhile....you ? You're a hypocrite. You're claiming that you care about the game and whatnot , but i'm guessing that you're just a bored whale

Except it's clearly not a good idea as both myself and several other people have been telling you already.

The only justification for breaks is to get a team up to speed. Which was fine at launch (although far too long) when everyone was new and we didn't have autocomplete. Now, for new players, without breaks, they have no choice but to skip events they are clearly outclassed on, or they cash the fuck out to keep their team up to speed. Not drag everyone else down to their level and have complete periods of deadness like you keep proposing.

Star/collection events are the perfect "breaks" for newbies, because they're not expected to spend their entire time on them. If they DO want to take part in the events, they have to cash, plain and simple. I know people who were new by the time Karma's event came around that they decided to throw down cash to get Immortal Karma, because they knew how useful she'd be in the future.

But a break for the sake of "restocking" is not necessary for anyone or anything. If it's gold you need, you skip doing events on Monday. If it's affection/fairies/etc., you farm event maps that drop them, you take a break from the event to farm Tuesday/Friday/challenge maps, or you suck it up until a login day gives it to you.

Once again, stop trying to compulsively max out everything ASAP. Even as a whale, there are plenty of units I don't have maxed, and I don't have an infinite stockpile of affection items or fairies. Because I know that I don't need to dry up my resources or my wallet for every unit that comes along.

And yeah, call me out for me being a "bored whale" when you can't even come up with compelling reasons for breaks outside of being newbie-friendly.

so , a game being newbie friendly is bad. But being only veteran friendly isn't ? Are you some sort of l33t that thinks everything that doesn't fit his criteria , or standard of gaming/dificulty is a casual thrash ?

You tell me that the only compelling argument for breaks is being newbie friendly. When literally the only real argument for no breaks is being veteran friendly , since it gives newer content to keep them entertained. Not hypocritical at all...yep

Oh boy, the anger in this thread makes me feel this game is the whole world to some of you.

Gotta have more going on in life than just Aigis events.

Originally Posted by lolix

so , a game being newbie friendly is bad. But being only veteran friendly isn't ? Are you some sort of l33t that thinks everything that doesn't fit his criteria , or standard of gaming/dificulty is a casual thrash ?

You tell me that the only compelling argument for breaks is being newbie friendly. When literally the only real argument for no breaks is being veteran friendly , since it gives newer content to keep them entertained. Not hypocritical at all...yep

There you go with your shitty black-and-white arguments again. You call me out for being an elitist while failing to see how terrible your own arguments are.

Events aren't "veteran-friendly". If they were, the first 2-3 maps of every event wouldn't be piss-easy. You want veteran-friendly events, look at Osawari or Kanpani. Aigis is incredibly lenient in comparison.

The compelling argument for constant events is to give veterans new event/silver units AND to give everyone more SCs from 3-starring new maps. Meanwhile, breaks... give newbies a chance to catch up at the expense of everyone else doing monotonous farming. Yeah, there's a clear winner here.

Originally Posted by Lag

Oh boy, the anger in this thread makes me feel this game is the whole world to some of you.

Gotta have more going on in life than just Aigis events.

I own a house and work full-time. I think I'm good, thanks.

Originally Posted by lolix

so , a game being newbie friendly is bad. But being only veteran friendly isn't ? Are you some sort of l33t that thinks everything that doesn't fit his criteria , or standard of gaming/dificulty is a casual thrash ?

You tell me that the only compelling argument for breaks is being newbie friendly. When literally the only real argument for no breaks is being veteran friendly , since it gives newer content to keep them entertained. Not hypocritical at all...yep

How delusional do you have to be to think new players have some sort of right to be on the same level as people who have been playing several times as long as them?

That's what happens when you join something late. You're behind. Forever. And you just deal with it or quit. No one has any obligation to cater to you to give you a chance to catch up.

Originally Posted by lolix

It means the devs aren't complete tools and do realize that their newbie or f2p players do need some downtime to restock , WITHOUT having to chose at all times , which imo is the best aproach possible to the game. If we get that here , i have no issues if we get no normal breaks.

You're an awful free-to-play player if you can't manage this.

I've never given Nutaku a red cent and every single girl I have is CC'd and 100% affection except Azami, and that's only because I just got her and she's not level 50 yet. But I already have the resources to do it.

On top of that, I've got numerous units leveled for AW with silver fodder ready to go whenever that gets implemented.

If you can't manage your time enough to enjoy the game the way it's presented to you, you need to play a different game.