Thread: New Upcoming Game: Crystal Maidens

Originally Posted by Hentaika

Not much to do in the game as it is and I can't really see to improve it right now -

Are you sure about that? Looking at the trophies seems to indicate there's hard mode campaigns. Does anyone know if they're available after clearing stage 60?

Several mistakes here:

Originally Posted by Hentaika

Well, stage 60 seems to be the last one, it drops a legendary with 1% chance and a rare with 20% chance, both are fighter weapons, and legendary is pretty much just slightly better than the starter legendary one - 61 is shown to be 'coming soon'..

The stage 60 is only the first half. You unlock the hard mode, and get 60 more stages afterward. Also, the legendary drop rate is 100%, not 1%.

Originally Posted by Hentaika

The one I got was the suzume(dark dagger girl) - she is a great melee dps, but she dies just too fast to be any useful.. so great for farming low stages, but bad for progressing and 3 star hard ones.

Suzume is great. She is less tanky than Helen for sure, but she can tank a bit (better than casters), and deals tons of damage. When you are dealing with archer, you are very happy to kill them fast enough. Something you can't do with 3 casters.

Originally Posted by Hentaika

In my opinion, the best setup for 3 staring anything would easily be 3 ranged and 1 tank with as much defence/dodge/hp as possible. Protecting 2 melee is very hard and not worth it overall, 1 will die because of how pick up delay works.

I 3* everything but 5 stages (including 3 bosses stages) in normal with 2 melees (despite 4 ranged available in my team). Your reasonning has a major flaw: Rangeds can take a lot of aoe in the tooth (and then aren't so much safer than melee), and are doing way way less damage with autoshot. And the more time you take to kill monsters, the more damage your tank will take. Suzume is a monster (she is dealing at least 40% more damage than anyone in the game), and if a mob is attacking someone in melee, they won't switch to another character, even in melee (so you just have to make her coming a bit after your tank). So she is really speeding up things and is safe enough if you know what you are doing.

Originally Posted by Hentaika

And considering that unlike DMM games, the western content does not have further releases, which you can just translate - the content will develop either REALLY slow or won't develop at all, so not much point telling that is still in 'starter' mode. Phantasma is the closest we got to getting a decent western game(developer wise, at least), but even it has worse balance than any of DMM games and less content, but at least it has some potential.

Phantasma is bullshit (They have no fucking idea of how to design a game, no good writing, nothing redeeming actually). Also, even if I dropped the game (for several reasons), the true decent western game out on nutaku is Harem Heroes. Lot of contents developped, and has lot of success on Nutaku.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Are you sure about that? Looking at the trophies seems to indicate there's hard mode campaigns. Does anyone know if they're available after clearing stage 60?

There is. The first stage in hard destroyed me haha.

Rewards are much better (and blue items can drop everywhere).

Originally Posted by Keyen

Several mistakes here:


The stage 60 is only the first half. You unlock the hard mode, and get 60 more stages afterward. Also, the legendary drop rate is 100%, not 1%.


Suzume is great. She is less tanky than Helen for sure, but she can tank a bit (better than casters), and deals tons of damage. When you are dealing with archer, you are very happy to kill them fast enough. Something you can't do with 3 casters.


I 3* everything but 5 stages (including 3 bosses stages) in normal with 2 melees (despite 4 ranged available in my team). Your reasonning has a major flaw: Rangeds can take a lot of aoe in the tooth (and then aren't so much safer than melee), and are doing way way less damage with autoshot. And the more time you take to kill monsters, the more damage your tank will take. Suzume is a monster (she is dealing at least 40% more damage than anyone in the game), and if a mob is attacking someone in melee, they won't switch to another character, even in melee (so you just have to make her coming a bit after your tank). So she is really speeding up things and is safe enough if you know what you are doing.


Phantasma is bullshit (They have no fucking idea of how to design a game, no good writing, nothing redeeming actually). Also, even if I dropped the game (for several reasons), the true decent western game out on nutaku is Harem Heroes. Lot of contents developped, and has lot of success on Nutaku.


There is. The first stage in hard destroyed me haha.

Rewards are much better (and blue items can drop everywhere).

Well, the chance it tells is 1% for legendary drop.. so either they made the message show wrong or it's 100% the first time or idk, maybe a bug if it's 100% for you? As I told - didn't beat 60 yet, but if it's 100% chance to drop legendary, even if it's once/day, it sounds insane(it should upgrade/sell for a lot, I presume, considering how rares work)

Also I can't see how you didn't 3 star lvl 40 or 50 and managed to 3 star so much of everything else without you being at the wrong here... boss stages are SO MUCH EASIER than the simple stage 3 star if you play like me(2 ranged, 1 melee and 1 nothing, would pick another ranged if possible)

Simple stages of 50+ just outvalue you with everyone using an ability which in summ just deals enough to kill at least 1 even if you dodge everything. Bosses on the other hand only have a decently strong auto attack and 1 shot ability, which is super easy to dodge.. boss will never, ever hit your ranged with his ability and will also never. And if you are very skilled - with just 1 melee tank he won't ever auto attack your melee as well.
Don't forget that picking someone up - means projectiles will disappear eventually and you are invulnerable during it even vs melee skills as long as they finish during the time you hold the hero.
So even though as you said - 2 melee may be worth it(as I told, I rushed stages with 2 melee just to make it in time for 2 stars at least - that of course meant that it's faster, but the probability of someone dying was extremely high).. I might be wrong because I never actually had chance to use 3rd ranged and it might be actually better to have 2 ranged/1 melee, to lessen the possible misclick chance and make it faster to dodge the aoes, but who knows. Of course when I speak about ranged heroes, I mean the ones that can both heal and be bulkier than melee non tank dps(healer is great class until hard mode at least because you get some good blue gear for it in boss stages)

For me boss stage are mostly about reaching boss fast enough and without deaths to deal enough dmg to it with just 2 ranged, because your melee will be on 'hold' 90% of the time. Overall boss fight goes approximately: melee approaches boss - before boss attacks you hold him up and wait until boss starts moving towards ranged - the exact moment it happens you drop her and when boss engages melee - repeat. This is a safe way to do it, if you can handle like 5 boss basic attacks or so and have decent healer then you can tank simple attacks and only use hold strategy on the skill the boss uses(it's always a long cast time, so you won't mistake it for anything else)

And yeah, I must apologise, I completely forgot about harem heroes somehow, and yes, it's quite good, but I also dropped it mostly because of missing quite a lot of good stuff in it so many times.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well, the chance it tells is 1% for legendary drop.. so either they made the message show wrong or it's 100% the first time or idk, maybe a bug if it's 100% for you? As I told - didn't beat 60 yet, but if it's 100% chance to drop legendary, even if it's once/day, it sounds insane(it should upgrade/sell for a lot, I presume, considering how rares work)

My bad, you are actually right, it shows 1% right now. It was 100% yesterday, even after I cleared for the first time (and I got a legendary sword). 48H cooldown, so I can't retry.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also I can't see how you didn't 3 star lvl 40 or 50 and managed to 3 star so much of everything else without you being at the wrong here... boss stages are SO MUCH EASIER than the simple stage 3 star if you play like me(2 ranged, 1 melee and 1 nothing, would pick another ranged if possible)

Well, I missed the lvl 50, and it's because you have only one try per 24H. When I tried, I got someone randomly killed and couldn't clear it again. That's all. Nothing far fetched.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Simple stages of 50+ just outvalue you with everyone using an ability which in summ just deals enough to kill at least 1 even if you dodge everything. Bosses on the other hand only have a decently strong auto attack and 1 shot ability, which is super easy to dodge.. boss will never, ever hit your ranged with his ability and will also never. And if you are very skilled - with just 1 melee tank he won't ever auto attack your melee as well.

Never said bosses were the real danger here. Micah as an enemy is a bitch (her aoe deals large damage with ridiculous aoe), and the archer guy is also crazy strong. Bosses are not that hard, indeed.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Don't forget that picking someone up - means projectiles will disappear eventually and you are invulnerable during it even vs melee skills as long as they finish during the time you hold the hero.

Yes, I know, the lvl 60 boss is impossible without that particularity.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

For me boss stage are mostly about reaching boss fast enough and without deaths to deal enough dmg to it with just 2 ranged, because your melee will be on 'hold' 90% of the time. Overall boss fight goes approximately: melee approaches boss - before boss attacks you hold him up and wait until boss starts moving towards ranged - the exact moment it happens you drop her and when boss engages melee - repeat. This is a safe way to do it, if you can handle like 5 boss basic attacks or so and have decent healer then you can tank simple attacks and only use hold strategy on the skill the boss uses(it's always a long cast time, so you won't mistake it for anything else)

You wont kill bosses quick enough with 3 ranged. That's the main problem. Even if you can avoid deaths, there is a timer, and it's tight when you are progressing through the game. The start is basically the same with 2 melee. Just put them on different side so you know who the boss is focusing, and hold the target. You will even spread the basic attack damage (making the heal skill more effective).

Originally Posted by Keyen

You wont kill bosses quick enough with 3 ranged. That's the main problem. Even if you can avoid deaths, there is a timer, and it's tight when you are progressing through the game. The start is basically the same with 2 melee. Just put them on different side so you know who the boss is focusing, and hold the target. You will even spread the basic attack damage (making the heal skill more effective).

You are lucky to have got your 2nd legendary sword then XD that's probably one of reasons you tell about melee being bigger dps - most people won't get that 2nd legendary sword unless they get extremely lucky...

I just checked and apparently the biggest melee dps in the game is suzume I mentioned thx to her 150 atk speed while still having decent dmg over lvl. Pair her with a legendary sword and she indeed will improve your party of 2 melee/2 ranged a lot... problem is - my fighter class gear is only good for 1 person, and considering I want that person to tank - I use my best gear on fire tank and suzume just gets leftovers.

The ranged dps depends on which hero you got heavily, so I would rate the ranged heroes approxmately as follows on 3 tiers:
Tier 1: Heet/Roxelana - both are insane fire element ranged dps. Problem is - fire is weak vs water which has some decent foes.

Tier 2: Nuka/Althea - nuka is a hybrid of healer and dmg'er while still being decent dmg'er, she starts out with you, so no reason not to keep her unless you get very good heroes and althea is best and pretty much the only real healer in the game. Considering the healers have insanely low dmg capability - you won't want to have more healers than althea..
Althea's skill is actually one of the few you should really try to level up as much as you can.

Tier 3: everything else, those ranged are really better off not being used if possible, maybe only situational wise when fire is very bad vs certain map. But then again - it all comes up to your randomness and who you got... if you only lucked out to get a total of 4 non duplicate heroes including starting one - you don't exactly have a choice at all.

I am not counting micah in, because I assume she is the only legendary tier hero we have and you won't ever get her pretty much, but if you do - she is the best of them all and should probably be included in any party.

Originally Posted by Hentaika

You are lucky to have got your 2nd legendary sword then XD that's probably one of reasons you tell about melee being bigger dps - most people won't get that 2nd legendary sword unless they get extremely lucky...

Not really, you can get white sword lvl 5 (the warring legion one, the other one is worthless white) very easily and they have +50% damage (same as a Legendary lvl 1). The Attack speed and CDR doesn't matter. Do that and your suzume dps will skyrocket.

For supports, I will have to disagree. Althea skill is pretty bad as you level. Meanwhile, Billie's skill is insanely OP, is really good even low level, and get better and better with time. I use both for now, but I will probably switch out Althea real soon.

Also, there is 3 legendary heroes. Micah, Heet and Billie. You can recognize them by their yellow name. Rare heroes have blue names.

Originally Posted by Keyen

Not really, you can get white sword lvl 5 (the warring legion one, the other one is worthless white) very easily and they have +50% damage (same as a Legendary lvl 1). The Attack speed and CDR doesn't matter. Do that and your suzume dps will skyrocket.

For supports, I will have to disagree. Althea skill is pretty bad as you level. Meanwhile, Billie's skill is insanely OP, is really good even low level, and get better and better with time. I use both for now, but I will probably switch out Althea real soon.

Also, there is 3 legendary heroes. Micah, Heet and Billie. You can recognize them by their yellow name. Rare heroes have blue names.

Oh dam *facepalms* so that's how you check rarity of heroes... I just based my judgement on combination of dmg/atk speed - the only combination that really matters for ranged, as HP can be made decent enough(for ranged, that is) with gear, but you can't exactly fix bad attack speed, so you want a 70+ default one in general, otherwise your dmg increase won't profit as much as well. I can see how insane base dmg and low attack speed be good, but it's too hard to make real - requires great attack speed gear which is harder to come by.

Also: how do you check skills of heroes you don't have? o-o Or do you know billie's one just because you have her and you can't check any in general outside of seeing enemy do it?

But if what you say is correct - then I must assume that hero rarity means the scaling of skills improves, and becomes actually worth it maybe?

How did you get so many heroes anyway? o-o Did you never get duplicates from 30/60 and got lucky enough to get a legendary hero from the only 500 draw that is realistically possible right now? o-o As it is - I had a duplicate from level 30.. and I assume lvl 60, which I will soon get will be duplicate as well, because it's probably rigged to be so. The 500 draw which I am very close to as well might become a legendary maiden, but knowing my luck - it will be an item which I won't be able to use because it's for a maiden of class I don't have.

Btw - does the cooldown reduction work at all? It never displays on the profile of maiden, so I suppose it's bugged at that point in the game, but never got a decent amount of it to actually check if it works or not. As it is right now - the higher on the list of item is cooldown reduction the worse the item is in general for me.(the higher the stat is on the item - the bigger it is in general for same rarity, so 3rd stat has much less impact than 1st one and it's only on legendary anyway)

Originally Posted by Hentaika

Also: how do you check skills of heroes you don't have? o-o Or do you know billie's one just because you have her and you can't check any in general outside of seeing enemy do it?

I do have Billie. She stun in an aoe for 0,3s + 0,2s*skill level (+damage, but the scaling is bad like all damage skills). Basically, the skill is lvl 8 right now, she stuns in an aoe for 1.9s. Max level, It will be over 4s stun. The CD is the same than the heal.

Originally Posted by Hentaika

How did you get so many heroes anyway? o-o Did you never get duplicates from 30/60 and got lucky enough to get a legendary hero from the only 500 draw that is realistically possible right now? o-o As it is - I had a duplicate from level 30.. and I assume lvl 60, which I will soon get will be duplicate as well, because it's probably rigged to be so. The 500 draw which I am very close to as well might become a legendary maiden, but knowing my luck - it will be an item which I won't be able to use because it's for a maiden of class I don't have.

I usually do another account for each of the new nutaku release. I get 100 base gold, I do 5 self referals for 500 aditionnal gold, and I usually bother for the first tier of the puzzle. 700 free gold = 700 gems. Was able to do 2 legendary draws, got a pair of shoes (I can't even use them) and Billie. The lvl 30 random maiden was also a dupe for me (but someone got Micah from it), and I got Coral at lvl 60.

Originally Posted by Hentaika

Btw - does the cooldown reduction work at all? It never displays on the profile of maiden, so I suppose it's bugged at that point in the game, but never got a decent amount of it to actually check if it works or not. As it is right now - the higher on the list of item is cooldown reduction the worse the item is in general for me.(the higher the stat is on the item - the bigger it is in general for same rarity, so 3rd stat has much less impact than 1st one and it's only on legendary anyway)

According to devs, the CDR is not displayed, but works properly. However, the bonus we have now are so small (usually 1 or 2%) they are not noticeable.

Originally Posted by Keyen

I do have Billie. She stun in an aoe for 0,3s + 0,2s*skill level (+damage, but the scaling is bad like all damage skills). Basically, the skill is lvl 8 right now, she stuns in an aoe for 1.9s. Max level, It will be over 4s stun. The CD is the same than the heal.

I usually do another account for each of the new nutaku release. I get 100 base gold, I do 5 self referals for 500 aditionnal gold, and I usually bother for the first tier of the puzzle. 700 free gold = 700 gems. Was able to do 2 legendary draws, got a pair of shoes (I can't even use them) and Billie. The lvl 30 random maiden was also a dupe for me (but someone got Micah from it), and I got Coral at lvl 60.

According to devs, the CDR is not displayed, but works properly. However, the bonus we have now are so small (usually 1 or 2%) they are not noticeable.

Oh yeah, totally forgot you can get so much gold for essentially free if you bother XD I just have main account which is on all games and if it needs rerolling things - then I bother on the second accounts. XD

I do bother As a F2P player, they are my only edge ^^