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Originally Posted by Eab1990

I'm pretty sure you're just fucking with me at this point.

My original post on this topic wasn't directed at you, but I do thank you for helping me hammer out the points. You could have walked away but you kept contributing.

My intent was to get (a subset of) people to realise they've taken up a sense of entitlement to unreasonable levels. Yes, people have a need to let off steam from pent up frustrations. Of course they're entitled, perhaps even obligated, to give feedback to companies about things they're not doing well. But what happens is a vulgar vomit of vicious vitriol - incivility.

At core, someone has set up a company to deliver something you care about. You have explicitly pointed out how that person is better than most people. It need not be said how many ways that company isn't living up to customer expectations. They are still doing much better than what most people could do themselves. Unreasonable entitlement is thinking a small (from a company's perspective) amount of money buys you the justification to verbally abuse[1] an entity more competent than you. Such an attitude is hiding from the core of the issue: frustration that you aren't in a position to do better yourself - i.e. refusal to acknowledge one's own powerlessness.


[1]That's not to say aggressive coercion has no place. Just that it doesn't require superficial disrespect to pull off.

So you took a "blame the userbase even if the company is still partially at fault" approach? That's idiotic, but fine.

I don't see why you had to go through this roundabout method of pointing out entitlement now. Remember that the whole reason this thread came about was because Nutaku didn't properly inform us of the situation. We can only see that lolis are starting to get into other games, yet Aigis continues to lag behind with no Mischa/Nenya/Claire/Bella/etc. It took NutakuDev to post for us to know that they still have to be hush-hush about what content pushes the boundaries. So it was natural for the userbase to complain.

I see, so this is this phenomena.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

So you took a "blame the userbase even if the company is still partially at fault" approach?

Originally Posted by Schverika

You seem obsessed with blame, fault and obligation.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

So it was natural for the userbase to complain.

Originally Posted by Schverika

Of course they're entitled, perhaps even obligated, to give feedback to companies about things they're not doing well.

What does that have to do with anything? If it looks like one game is getting more lenient with censorship than another, it's going to draw criticism. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

What doesn't make sense is you trying to suggest that the userbase should do better. There are better ways of pointing out entitlement than using that fallacy.

Since we're doing the Wikipedia thing now, you seem to be invoking this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

While few (if any) of us are qualified to criticize how Nutaku handles its payment processors, that doesn't make the suggestion that they should find a better one any less justified. Particularly when the argument that other companies can localize loli material just fine keeps cropping up.

On that note, I think we've derailed this thread long enough. It's unlikely that the users will take your advice of magically improving themselves to make their own payment processor/localization company, so this conversation is clearly going nowhere. Hell, it's unlikely that people will lose any sense of entitlement either. It goes without saying that people will still complain. I just think the complaints were justified this time since the boundaries weren't (and still aren't) clear as to what does and doesn't get censored.

Yes, this is a good place to end. And yes, it's unlikely any readers will change themselves from this.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

What does that have to do with anything? If it looks like one game is getting more lenient with censorship than another, it's going to draw criticism. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

What doesn't make sense is you trying to suggest that the userbase should do better. There are better ways of pointing out entitlement than using that fallacy.

Since we're doing the Wikipedia thing now, you seem to be invoking this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

While few (if any) of us are qualified to criticize how Nutaku handles its payment processors, that doesn't make the suggestion that they should find a better one any less justified. Particularly when the argument that other companies can localize loli material just fine keeps cropping up.

On that note, I think we've derailed this thread long enough. It's unlikely that the users will take your advice of magically improving themselves to make their own payment processor/localization company, so this conversation is clearly going nowhere. Hell, it's unlikely that people will lose any sense of entitlement either. It goes without saying that people will still complain. I just think the complaints were justified this time since the boundaries weren't (and still aren't) clear as to what does and doesn't get censored.

If you noticed, my second complain isn't about lolis but why Epoch sucks, at point they put barriers to add money to Nutaku. I sent feedback to both sides, but the main fault is from Epoch due to their childish behavior (and supposedly, cash is "real money" unlike a debit/credit card, but treated me like shit)

Nutaku balance issues are other story. I put it as example because you talked about users.

As much as I'd like to be able to found my own payment processor site, It just isn't possible for me at this time. I looked into it and found that it comes with very large startup fees. Some of them being $10,000. And then to be able to sustain the site, I'd need quite a few customers.

Be a proper modern businessman and crowdfund it