Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Mirai

I think in general, I'm just looking for ways to progress, doesn't even have to be with my main team. I know this game is a marathon so it'd be good to know what the long-term goals are

Really depends on how much time you're willing to invest into the game and whether you can find active friends and union to raid with (leech from.) I personally think most new and returning players should focus on farming guardian weapons to at least get rid of all the SR weapons in their main grid first, but that may be too much grind for some already. Getting accessory slots unlocked is also important (and just as grindy.)

I am going to answer your specific questions with the assumption that you are willing to grind at least several raids a day on top of regular events:

Is my understanding that with the release of Leviathan (and hopefully getting her eventually), I should keep an eye out for water eidolons and max them out even if they don't have the highest stat?

Generally yes. For Cerberus, Leviathan, Hanuman, Nidhoggr, you get an 8% additional elemental per matching sub eido (Managarmr (fluffy) and Anubis also work similarly, but theirs is 4%-8% per matching sub eido depending on LB.) However, that does not mean you should stuff R and SR as sub eidos (I've seen this more than once) - the stats loss from using non-SSR can outweigh that 8%, since your Rudra plus a friend LB0 Leviathan and Herc axe already gets you to 230% elemental (3.3x multiplier) so the 8% only gives you an incremental 2.4% dmg. If you lose more than 2.4% in stats from swapping to R/SR, you would actually end up dealing less dmg.

Do I just need to wait for water event SSR weapons as they come?

You can try to farm guardian weapons (Ophiel for water.) Ophiel axe and lance are both very good end-game level weapons. Note however that Ophiel is one of the harder guardians and has a fairly high fail rate.

For all other teams, I have 1-2 SSR himes, but just slapped on off-element beat sticks for weapons (like the FLB rahab knife).

That's probably not a good idea. Even relative to a disaster SR, the loss in assault typically outweighs the gain in stats unless you're like completely new with no stats (that should no longer be an issue for ppl, as epic quests basically gives you a basic set of eido statsticks to start with.)

Is it worth getting all the raid SR's and maxing out the skill level for my other elements?

It's probably worth getting a basic SR grid for thunder at least, as the next tower is in roughly a month and is water, so thunder has advantage. SR thunder axe grid might actually outperform your water grid in a water raid depending on who you have as well.

My next question is with accessories. I don't have the 4th and 5th slot unlocked, so I think that's definitely something I need to work (ragnarok raids I think?). Do I want to eventually go for the Tiara set bonus?

Slashley answered this already.

Are there any accessories worth getting the the Accessory Point shop?

Not really, they're all fodder pretty much. If you're not doing AQ4+ yet though, I guess you could buy the ancient or devil rings to see if you get a nice one (more often than not, it'll be a bad one, but might still be better than the really bad ones you typically see.)

Raids - The guardian raids are new for me and it seems like they have treasure drops that let us exchange them for weapons/guardian eidolon at shop. Are any of the SSR weapons or the eidolon worth it? Or in general, what should I be spending these treasures on?

There's usually at least one really good weapon for each element that is worth farming (fire is the only exception, where they range from bad to usable, no great ones.)

The guardian eidos are also good for any element where you do not have a 100%+ eidolon, or if you want to run a high utility team (or if you're running a high vigor grid.) The way they work is that they scale up the weapon skills from your grid, so their strength is proportional to the quality of your grid - well worth using for well-built grids, but can actually be worse than an event eido when you're still running mostly SR weapons. It's a fairly long grind to get the guardian eidos MLB though, especially since you missed all the rush phases already.

Originally Posted by Slashley

So uh, again... just keep playing and try to enjoy yourself. That is, after all, the end goal - having fun.

Just remember this.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Really depends on how much time you're willing to invest into the game and whether you can find active friends and union to raid with (leech from.) I personally think most new and returning players should focus on farming guardian weapons to at least get rid of all the SR weapons in their main grid first, but that may be too much grind for some already. Getting accessory slots unlocked is also important (and just as grindy.)

I am going to answer your specific questions with the assumption that you are willing to grind at least several raids a day on top of regular events:



Generally yes. For Cerberus, Leviathan, Hanuman, Nidhoggr, you get an 8% additional elemental per matching sub eido (Managarmr (fluffy) and Anubis also work similarly, but theirs is 4%-8% per matching sub eido depending on LB.) However, that does not mean you should stuff R and SR as sub eidos (I've seen this more than once) - the stats loss from using non-SSR can outweigh that 8%, since your Rudra plus a friend LB0 Leviathan and Herc axe already gets you to 230% elemental (3.3x multiplier) so the 8% only gives you an incremental 2.4% dmg. If you lose more than 2.4% in stats from swapping to R/SR, you would actually end up dealing less dmg.



You can try to farm guardian weapons (Ophiel for water.) Ophiel axe and lance are both very good end-game level weapons. Note however that Ophiel is one of the harder guardians and has a fairly high fail rate.



That's probably not a good idea. Even relative to a disaster SR, the loss in assault typically outweighs the gain in stats unless you're like completely new with no stats (that should no longer be an issue for ppl, as epic quests basically gives you a basic set of eido statsticks to start with.)



It's probably worth getting a basic SR grid for thunder at least, as the next tower is in roughly a month and is water, so thunder has advantage. SR thunder axe grid might actually outperform your water grid in a water raid depending on who you have as well.



Slashley answered this already.



Not really, they're all fodder pretty much. If you're not doing AQ4+ yet though, I guess you could buy the ancient or devil rings to see if you get a nice one (more often than not, it'll be a bad one, but might still be better than the really bad ones you typically see.)



There's usually at least one really good weapon for each element that is worth farming (fire is the only exception, where they range from bad to usable, no great ones.)

The guardian eidos are also good for any element where you do not have a 100%+ eidolon, or if you want to run a high utility team (or if you're running a high vigor grid.) The way they work is that they scale up the weapon skills from your grid, so their strength is proportional to the quality of your grid - well worth using for well-built grids, but can actually be worse than an event eido when you're still running mostly SR weapons. It's a fairly long grind to get the guardian eidos MLB though, especially since you missed all the rush phases already.



Just remember this.

Wow thanks so much for giving such a detailed response! Glad to be back, and I'll definitely be having fun

I was debating between Shiva and Cthulhu for the Mtix and eventually went with Shiva. But I actually just got Cthulhu off a random gacha ticket So now for water himes I have:

Vohu, Ryu-oh, Aphrodite, Snow Raphael, Shiva, Cthulhu.

When unlocking 4th/5th accessory slots, who should I prioritize? I'm not too sure which himes would end up being core members in the long-term. On a similar note, what are the best water comps to go for?

Originally Posted by Mirai

I was debating between Shiva and Cthulhu for the Mtix and eventually went with Shiva. But I actually just got Cthulhu off a random gacha ticket So now for water himes I have:

Vohu, Ryu-oh, Aphrodite, Snow Raphael, Shiva, Cthulhu.

When unlocking 4th/5th accessory slots, who should I prioritize? I'm not too sure which himes would end up being core members in the long-term. On a similar note, what are the best water comps to go for?

You should prioritize himes that you currently use. Of the himes you listed I would unlock Vohu, Cthulhu, and Shiva at least. Any team you make should include them and the last hime can change depending on your needs.

Originally Posted by Tanukimo

You should prioritize himes that you currently use. Of the himes you listed I would unlock Vohu, Cthulhu, and Shiva at least. Any team you make should include them and the last hime can change depending on your needs.

Got it, thank you!

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

Ophiel axe and lance are both very good end-game level weapons.

What about bow? Aint it's good for upping burst damage? Also, small combo+

Originally Posted by Jessa

What about bow? Aint it's good for upping burst damage? Also, small combo+

Problem with the bow is the lack of assault. If you are not capping your existing exceed, assault generally gives more dmg than exceed. If you're hitting burst cap, the exceed can be worth more than assault (assuming you can still hit burst cap without that assault.) You really want both assault and exceed though, so Ophiel bow is sort of a last resort if you don't have the demon UE bow or Merc axe (even LB0 Merc is better than Ophiel bow 'cos by the time you hit burst caps, your base stats should be high enough that the 16% assault is worth more than 1.2k-ish loss in raw atk.)

As for avalanche, I guess it's better than no skill, but it hardly makes up for the lack of assault. Honestly, I would prefer defender over avalanche since Ophiel lance grid lacks defender. As an actual dmg multiplier, avalanche is far inferior to assault/vigor/exceed since it basically only boosts your natk dmg. It can be helpful for getting you ready to burst faster or more consistently, but it's unlikely to be enough to offset the loss in assault (this is unlike accessories, where the assault-DATA trade-off ratio is much more attractive.) In fact, avalanche can sometimes be worse than barrage - for GDATA builds, you want more TA not more DA as the DA will crowd out the TA from normalization.

Also, you are extremely unlikely to need more than 1 MLB Ophiel bow. Serious water mains will save eyes to buy a Merc axe. More casual or non-water mains can go Ophiel axe grid (40% exceed from phantom axe) or simply don't have the right hime buffs to consistently make use of exceed beyond the first 40%. Simply farming 5 MLB Ophiel weapons to fill a grid actually gives you a decent chance of getting multiple bows as drops, so I generally discourage ppl from buying the bow even if they'll eventually need it, just in case they get it for free.

Do the guardian raid SSR weapons drop from leeching? Or do you have to be the one to host? Same question for phantom weapons from ragnarok raids. I think my focus for now is unlocking accessory slots and farming Ophiel ssr's to get rid of my raid sr's lol.

Originally Posted by dreamlitz

-- In fact, avalanche can sometimes be worse than barrage - for GDATA builds, you want more TA not more DA as the DA will crowd out the TA from normalization.--

What kind of builds are those.

Originally Posted by Mirai

Do the guardian raid SSR weapons drop from leeching? Or do you have to be the one to host? Same question for phantom weapons from ragnarok raids. I think my focus for now is unlocking accessory slots and farming Ophiel ssr's to get rid of my raid sr's lol.

Yes, both guard and phantom weapons can drop from leeching, you don't need to be the host either. It's a very low probability event (around low single digit % chance) but given that you'll probably do many hundreds of these raids, you have a very good chance of seeing a drop eventually. MVP-ing noticeably boosts the chances of a weapon dropping, but still rare.

This is based on a rigorous sample of one and various one-off anecdotes, but the game seems to have a very strong desire sensor - I use only the phantom lance 99% of the time, and I did not get a second phantom lance until all my other phantom weapons were MLB and have foddered many of the excess. Similarly for guardian weapons, the weapon that drops least is the one I want most -.-

Anyway, point is it's all RNG, so set your expectations low so it's easier for the game to exceed expectations

Originally Posted by Slashley

What kind of builds are those.

I don't know enough about water to know how practical these builds are there, but both Saraswati and Aphrodite have pretty strong DATA buffs iirc. For light it's pretty easy: 30% DATA from tiara set, another 30%-ish from fluffy, 20%-ish from Mike DA buff and you're at 80%-ish already. Tish TA buff is 50%, so she can easily make a two himes GDATA for 5/6T even without fluffy. Iris and Vishnu both can stack up to fairly ridiculous level of DATA for themselves. The nice thing about GDATA is that I can activate buffs in advance of a FB, so I can for example activate Hagith, then fluffy, then Kaiser without fear of a hime not generating enough BG to burst before the Hagith buff expires.