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    Did anyone else lol a little when they saw the Skill Enhancement Gacha? "Hey, wanna spend $30 to get more of what you got for free in the event just now?" I mean, I guess the whole 10 weapons thing is different, but still. The Eidolon gacha seems even more bait and switch.


    Is there concrete math behind the "higher odds" or are they just BS'ing us? I guarantee if I got an ssr pull from that gacha, it'd be a non-boosted rate Eidolon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugMeTender View Post
    My water team is currently: Cthulhu, Nike (or Sol), Belphy, and Oceanus.

    My Light team is currently: Athena, Shamash, Diana, and Sol.
    So you did pick Sol. I approve huehuehue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slashley View Post
    chunk of text, but I'm gonna look at the AQ side
    Umm, blind? I'm not sure what you use for AQ4, but I'm at least guessing if you don't have combo- on hand, Mordred/ blinding eidolons are your next best bet. Also, element advantage aside, why don't you go for a team with -50% atk? I rarely get anything dying with my setup even with bad RNG... (although considering yes, my team for all AQ4 is literally holy water trinity and A Sol)

    Quote Originally Posted by HugMeTender View Post
    Did anyone else lol a little when they saw the Skill Enhancement Gacha? "Hey, wanna spend $30 to get more of what you got for free in the event just now?" I mean, I guess the whole 10 weapons thing is different, but still. The Eidolon gacha seems even more bait and switch.

    Is there concrete math behind the "higher odds" or are they just BS'ing us? I guarantee if I got an ssr pull from that gacha, it'd be a non-boosted rate Eidolon.
    I lol every single time they release a gacha with items that can be farmed, though I suppose it appeals to whales that don't wanna grind/ people with not enough time. This would work better in Japan, where probably literally 90% of the players are too busy with their work (and they work long hours. Long long looooooong hours).

    Eidolon gacha is basically worthless, unless you're banking on getting one of those 100%s.

    Higher odds referring to character rates? ... Not sure. 3% chance to pull an SSR, and you'd need I'd guesstimate at least a sample size above 100 SSRs to get a good look at the rates for SSRs. It complicates matters even more when half of those rates are eidos and the other half are weapons, but even so you'd need like 3400 pulls for that sample size. Someone from DMM might prove me wrong (what are those sources, galaxy whales? ), but I'm pretty, pretty dang sure no one's gonna want to pull that many in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac View Post
    So you did pick Sol. I approve huehuehue.
    I've come to the conclusion that Sol is bae :v

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugMeTender View Post
    I've come to the conclusion that Sol is bae :v
    I've at least yet to see someone regret miracle ticketing for Sol at least...

    On hindsight, me miracle ticketing for Sol cause she's cute probably was a serious gamble of 50 bucks... but hey it worked out well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac View Post
    I've at least yet to see someone regret miracle ticketing for Sol at least...

    On hindsight, me miracle ticketing for Sol cause she's cute probably was a serious gamble of 50 bucks... but hey it worked out well
    Sometimes barely legal anime thighs that squeeze in the first scene are worth the risk.

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    need help with acc choice

    I have acc with water (Ctulhu, Belphy, Nike sr,Anahit) and light (Michael, Eros, Jihuti, Nike ) teams + i've got Mars too. Grid -Tiamat event stuff (all MLB+ extra LB2 Tiamat)+ LB2Sphynx, LB1 Vritra/Sphynx SSR. Now i rerolled into PTW eydo..... but it's Kirin+ couple offelement r, so they doesn't matter. I'm an FTP player and i'm confused. If i would have Belial/Rudra, i would switch withount any doubt, but with Kirin things ar not so uniquely. Some my statements about thunder my be wrong, fix me plz if i'm not correct.
    1) Thunder has no heal at all (Gryla is dec ) and using off-element, like Nike means painfull damage loss with 100% eydo
    2) Thunder has almost no def skills
    3)Thunder has almost no debuffs (yes, Mammon, i know), but it's fixed with Darty with relic gun+ambush, so it' only matter of grind, not luck.
    4) all this things means that only strategy for thunder is kill fast or die fast. I don't know, is it aquireble with 0 or almost 0 ssr.

    From the other side we have a)PTW eydo is still PTW eydo.
    b)PTW eydo means a lot of friends with PTW eydo so it's 200% element bonus
    c)Next event is Thunder raid (Amaru). I don't need Eydo (only as sub), but weapons are very good boost to my grid, even MLB defenders with slv1 (if gacha will be nice to me).
    d) Mammon is in a month and if i will play now, i should have 9k jevels (12k is too optimistic i think)+ about 25 premium tickets, so chance to get at least Azrael is high enough and maybe Mammon, but it's a matter of luck. Before it i will use Nike, Baal and 2 r from gem gacha.
    e)dec will come and i will have thunder heal (she is event hime so i can't miss her if i will play that event).
    So as i said i'm confused and don't know what to do. If I should play Kirin acc, I must start this weekend to prepare for Amaru event. I want to listen advices/ideas from as many people as possible.
    Edit: spaces and paragraphes as Cobblemaniac wants
    Last edited by Mraktar; 05-26-2018 at 12:48 AM.
    Kamihime ID: 4800544, wind (Hrae included)//frozen
    Nutaku FKG ID: 375715584
    DMM FKG ID :922767212
    DMM Kamihime:4201976 - Hrae, Kirin, Cerberus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mraktar View Post
    I have acc with water (Ctulhu, Belphy, Nike sr,Anahit) and light (Michael, Eros, Jihuti, Nike ) teams + i've got Mars too. Grid -Tiamat event stuff (all MLB+ extra LB2 Tiamat)+ LB2Sphynx, LB1 Vritra/Sphynx SSR. Now i rerolled into PTW eydo..... but it's Kirin+ couple offelement r, so they doesn't matter. I'm an FTP player and i'm confused. If i would have Belial/Rudra, i would switch withount any doubt, but with Kirin things ar not so uniquely. Some my statements about thunder my be wrong, fix me plz if i'm not correct. 1) Thunder has no heal at all (Gryla is dec ) and using off-element, like Nike means painfull damage loss with 100% eydo 2) Thunder has almost no def skills 3)Thunder has almost no debuffs (yes, Mammon, i know), but it's fixed with Darty with relic gun+ambush, so it' only matter of grind, not luck. 4) all this things means that only strategy for thunder is kill fast or die fast. I don't know, is it aquireble with 0 or almost 0 ssr.
    From the other side we have a)PTW eydo is still PTW eydo. b)PTW eydo means a lot of friends with PTW eydo so it's 200% element bonus
    c)Next event is Thunder raid (Amaru). I don't need Eydo (only as sub), but weapons are very good boost to my grid, even MLB defenders with slv1 (if gacha will be nice to me). d) Mammon is in a month and if i will play now, i should have 9k jevels (12k is too optimistic i think)+ about 25 premium tickets, so chance to get at least Azrael is high enough and maybe Mammon, but it's a matter of luck. Before it i will use Nike, Baal and 2 r from gem gacha. e)dec will come and i will have thunder heal (she is event hime so i can't miss her if i will play that event).
    So as i said i'm confused and don't know what to do. If I should play Kirin acc, I must start this weekend to prepare for Amaru event. I want to listen advices/ideas from as many people as possible.
    Jesus, spacing and paragraphing would help.

    IMO it's a tie between water and the Kirin account, although I'd say the Kirin account has an edge over the water simply for having the 100% eidolon, since the himes are probability-wise a bit easier to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HugMeTender View Post
    Is there concrete math behind the "higher odds" or are they just BS'ing us? I guarantee if I got an ssr pull from that gacha, it'd be a non-boosted rate Eidolon.
    I am under the impression that Japanese law requires companies to tell the odds, which is why we know them... in the DMM version. Eidolon boosted rate there is 2.5x. So, if we assume that normally a P2W Eidolon will cost you 10k bucks, then with this gacha it'd be a meager 4k bucks each. It could be higher boost since there's four of them, but since we don't know how the P2W Eidolons are weighted down, it's difficult to tell for sure.

    Here, we don't know the boosted odds. For all we know, it's possible that Nutaku has gone full greed and lowered Hime boost to 1.5x even though DMM started with 5x and was at 15x at this point (currently 20x). We just don't know. Massive whales might know, but even if they compile their data, they often don't like sharing.

    I'm mostly puzzled about it because I remember that a long time ago, Nutaku did a "OMG FOUR TIMES THE BOOST" premium gacha. Or was it two times? Either way, considering how the boost modifier was supposed to be FIVE times... ... that made me raise an eyebrow. If it was four times the modifier of five, why wouldn't they advertise it as "4*5 OMG 20 TIMES THE ODDS!"?

    tl;dr; the boost rate is probably a thing, but we don't know how much of a thing.

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