Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Hey everyone,

I’ve been playing for a few months now and was hoping to get some general direction on progression. I’m currently rank 72, water main with Rudra. Getting very close to 40k on my main screen. I’ve gotten to a point where I can clear up to stage 3 on GO (might be because it’s currently fire) and rank 3 accessory quests. Here’s what I have at the moment:

himes: Ryu-oh, Snow Raphael, SR Nike, Venus
souls: mordred, arthur, hercules
eidolons: rudra, tiamat, event ssr’s
weapons: Rahab knife (advent ssr lv 10 assault ++), herc axe (still only 1 copy, lv8 vigor), 7 raid sr’s (lv 14 assault +), 1 SR from water union (lv 14 assault +). all are 1500+ atk with rahab knife at 2200atk

My questions are:
1. What soul should I be going for next? I was thinking Andromeda since she’d help me with GO and I don’t really need D’art anytime soon with Ryu-oh
2. Now that I can farm orihalcons (slowly), what water weapon should I get?
3. My weapon grid is lacking SSR’s because I was much weaker during the water UE and was on vacation for most of the rahab advent (feels bad). Should I continue skill leveling the SR raid weapons, or start working on other grids like Wind while I wait for water events?
4. What’s a good set-up for weapon skills for a water grid? My understanding is that assault/assault + defender is best with pride coming in next - is there a recommended number of each?
5. Have I reached the point where I should start funneling my resources to all of my other elemental teams? Honestly, I have close to nothing for other elements except a couple SSR weapons from the events. I’m lacking himes in general right now because i’ve been saving jewels for Vohu Manah.
6. If there’s anything that I might be missing in terms of what I should be doing or focusing on, please let me know.

If anyone reads through all of this, thank you for your time

Originally Posted by Mirai

Hey everyone,

I’ve been playing for a few months now and was hoping to get some general direction on progression. I’m currently rank 72, water main with Rudra. Getting very close to 40k on my main screen. I’ve gotten to a point where I can clear up to stage 3 on GO (might be because it’s currently fire) and rank 3 accessory quests. Here’s what I have at the moment:

himes: Ryu-oh, Snow Raphael, SR Nike, Venus
souls: mordred, arthur, hercules
eidolons: rudra, tiamat, event ssr’s
weapons: Rahab knife (advent ssr lv 10 assault ++), herc axe (still only 1 copy, lv8 vigor), 7 raid sr’s (lv 14 assault +), 1 SR from water union (lv 14 assault +). all are 1500+ atk with rahab knife at 2200atk

My questions are:
1. What soul should I be going for next? I was thinking Andromeda since she’d help me with GO and I don’t really need D’art anytime soon with Ryu-oh
2. Now that I can farm orihalcons (slowly), what water weapon should I get?
3. My weapon grid is lacking SSR’s because I was much weaker during the water UE and was on vacation for most of the rahab advent (feels bad). Should I continue skill leveling the SR raid weapons, or start working on other grids like Wind while I wait for water events?
4. What’s a good set-up for weapon skills for a water grid? My understanding is that assault/assault + defender is best with pride coming in next - is there a recommended number of each?
5. Have I reached the point where I should start funneling my resources to all of my other elemental teams? Honestly, I have close to nothing for other elements except a couple SSR weapons from the events. I’m lacking himes in general right now because i’ve been saving jewels for Vohu Manah.
6. If there’s anything that I might be missing in terms of what I should be doing or focusing on, please let me know.

If anyone reads through all of this, thank you for your time

1. Cass is enough heal, take D’art because SS is the best EX skill for things like GO
2. Save it for FLB
3. Try to max your main ele first since you have rudra and move to the other ( or at least SL20 SR and SL11 SSR)
4. SSR dual skill assault/pride+defender>SSR dual skill assault/pride> SSR single skill assault/pride>SR assault.
5. For a F2P, hime come randomly so you just use what you have. Just prepare the grid and wait for the hime
6. Have you start your gemcha cycle yet ?, your grid is quite weak for a few months player

source being it's already half AP on the chinese ver which is the same as nutaku ver in being 12 months behind DMM jp ver. chinese version usually has campaigns first like gacha, etc and nutaku has it a few days after.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1. Cass is enough heal, take D’art because SS is the best EX skill for things like GO
2. Save it for FLB
3. Try to max your main ele first since you have rudra and move to the other ( or at least SL20 SR and SL11 SSR)
4. SSR dual skill assault/pride+defender>SSR dual skill assault/pride> SSR single skill assault/pride>SR assault.
5. For a F2P, hime come randomly so you just use what you have. Just prepare the grid and wait for the hime
6. Have you start your gemcha cycle yet ?, your grid is quite weak for a few months player

Thanks for your response! So looks like I'm picking between D'art and Joan - I do have 2 damage cuts/barriers already since I have Venus as well, so I'm leaning more towards D'art right now. I actually MT'd Snow Raphael and Ryu-oh so I'm waiting for the next cycle on that - don't mind spending money on non-RNG.

I've been really bad about gemcha tbh....the process itself is kinda rough haha. I also was told by someone else early on to stop skill leveling the raid SR's at 14 (10% atk) so I guess I didn't really feel the need for R weapons once I got that. But seems like I need to continue. Thank you again

Originally Posted by Mirai

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My questions are:
1. What soul should I be going for next? I was thinking Andromeda since she’d help me with GO and I don’t really need D’art anytime soon with Ryu-oh

Since you're not clearing stage 4 GO, survival seems to be an issue for you. Joan does amazing in that. You can do great things by either combining Snow Raphael damage cut to (nearly) entirely negate enemy attacks, or cycle Joan -> Snow Raph -> Joan if you need more time.

As the other guy above me said, it seems like you're missing out on damage output still though. Swapping to Joan will prevent you from reaching -50% Def, which certainly won't help. Anyway, I'd try with Joan and get full slvl20 Grid, then you can most likely run Herc again. Or just run Herc for general content and Joan when the incoming damage is too much to handle.

Originally Posted by Mirai

2. Now that I can farm orihalcons (slowly), what water weapon should I get?

None of the Ori weapons in the exchange seem amazing, sadly. The 1-cost one has no Assault, and none of the three 2-cost weapons are Assault + Defender/Exceed. So they're all things you'll eventually drop. Spend Ori if you really feel you need it, but remember that you need them for FLBs as well.

Originally Posted by Mirai

3. My weapon grid is lacking SSR’s because I was much weaker during the water UE and was on vacation for most of the rahab advent (feels bad). Should I continue skill leveling the SR raid weapons, or start working on other grids like Wind while I wait for water events?

I'd get Water fully maxed out so that you have one solid team to fight with.

Originally Posted by Mirai

4. What’s a good set-up for weapon skills for a water grid? My understanding is that assault/assault + defender is best with pride coming in next - is there a recommended number of each?

Rule #1: Assault, Assault, Assault. Prides count as Assault, but every weapon must have Assault.

A secondary skill is highly valuable, particularly if there's HP on it. As for how much HP, eh, the more the better? I don't think there's really a "too much" for that, especially since most players don't get to choose what they have. They have what they have.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Since you're not clearing stage 4 GO, survival seems to be an issue for you. Joan does amazing in that. You can do great things by either combining Snow Raphael damage cut to (nearly) entirely negate enemy attacks, or cycle Joan -> Snow Raph -> Joan if you need more time.

As the other guy above me said, it seems like you're missing out on damage output still though. Swapping to Joan will prevent you from reaching -50% Def, which certainly won't help. Anyway, I'd try with Joan and get full slvl20 Grid, then you can most likely run Herc again. Or just run Herc for general content and Joan when the incoming damage is too much to handle.None of the Ori weapons in the exchange seem amazing, sadly. The 1-cost one has no Assault, and none of the three 2-cost weapons are Assault + Defender/Exceed. So they're all things you'll eventually drop. Spend Ori if you really feel you need it, but remember that you need them for FLBs as well.I'd get Water fully maxed out so that you have one solid team to fight with.
Rule #1: Assault, Assault, Assault. Prides count as Assault, but every weapon must have Assault.

A secondary skill is highly valuable, particularly if there's HP on it. As for how much HP, eh, the more the better? I don't think there's really a "too much" for that, especially since most players don't get to choose what they have. They have what they have.

I'll try to pay more attention during GO and pinpoint if my damage or survivability is the bigger issue - I do think I can clear up to stage 3 even if it's non-fire but that's also something I'd need to confirm.

I totally forgot I need orihalcons for FLB (since I don't have any). Thank to both of you for reminding me.

Thanks for all your responses, I really appreciate it!

Originally Posted by Slashley

Since you're not clearing stage 4 GO, survival seems to be an issue for you. Joan does amazing in that. You can do great things by either combining Snow Raphael damage cut to (nearly) entirely negate enemy attacks, or cycle Joan -> Snow Raph -> Joan if you need more time.

As the other guy above me said, it seems like you're missing out on damage output still though. Swapping to Joan will prevent you from reaching -50% Def, which certainly won't help. Anyway, I'd try with Joan and get full slvl20 Grid, then you can most likely run Herc again. Or just run Herc for general content and Joan when the incoming damage is too much to handle.None of the Ori weapons in the exchange seem amazing, sadly. The 1-cost one has no Assault, and none of the three 2-cost weapons are Assault + Defender/Exceed. So they're all things you'll eventually drop. Spend Ori if you really feel you need it, but remember that you need them for FLBs as well.I'd get Water fully maxed out so that you have one solid team to fight with.
Rule #1: Assault, Assault, Assault. Prides count as Assault, but every weapon must have Assault.

A secondary skill is highly valuable, particularly if there's HP on it. As for how much HP, eh, the more the better? I don't think there's really a "too much" for that, especially since most players don't get to choose what they have. They have what they have.

Just an update! I actually wasn't running GO optimally - once I timed my full bursts for battles 2 and 4, I can easily clear stage 4. The boss itself isn't happening anytime soon - once I get here to around 60% she just goes into raging and one shots me.

Also, I actually have 1 holy steel argentum from one of the Mticket bonuses. Do you think it's worth using it to FLB Rahab Knife? It would go from Assault++ to Assault++/Defender.
10% extra HP seems like it would be nice, but is there a water SSR coming soon that's even better? Or are these bricks meant to be saved for gacha weapons that are hard to get?

And for regalia, do I keep saving them to buy more copies of Herc axe?

Originally Posted by Mirai

Just an update! I actually wasn't running GO optimally - once I timed my full bursts for battles 2 and 4, I can easily clear stage 4. The boss itself isn't happening anytime soon - once I get here to around 60% she just goes into raging and one shots me.

Congrats. Crom's Crotch is pretty tough since you only have two options:
1. Bring enough firepower to blow her up. Use everything just before Rage, PF Full Burst, blam, no Rage Trigger. For a newer player, this is probably nigh-impossible especially since PF isn't a thing until ~6 months into the game.
2. Tank it. The Trigger is easy to predict since it's not tied to HP% but Rage. But with the amount of damage it deals, this means combining multiple damage cuts. Everyone has access to Joan (but bringing Joan conflicts with other "clear with x Soul" missions!), but the second one is the problem. Water Kaiser is also available for everyone reliably, but 10k Eidolon Orbs is no joke. Also, Crom's Crotch isn't even coming back this year as next up we have three cycles of Cthughua.

Although everyone should be able to clear wave4 of Crom's Crotch as long as they have a full slvl20 Grid, this Guild Order can simply be impossible to clear for some people, simply due to RNG not granting them the tools to deal with that Rage Trigger.

I'm not going to say that you'll be able to clear the other GOs (I can't remember what other bosses do, ha ha!), but they might be more doable.

Originally Posted by Mirai

Also, I actually have 1 holy steel argentum from one of the Mticket bonuses. Do you think it's worth using it to FLB Rahab Knife? It would go from Assault++ to Assault++/Defender.
10% extra HP seems like it would be nice, but is there a water SSR coming soon that's even better?

15%. Because FLBs get their max skill level increased to 30. It's really expensive to level up, but Assault/Defender is well worth it.

You had Rudra, yes? If your Rahab Knife is 2-Stars, I'd say yes, it's well worth it. If it's 3-Stars, just wait until you get the ingred- oh wait, did you forget to stack up extra Rahab Silver and Gold drops? Mmm. Yeah, in that case, I guess it's still worth it, just a shame.

And just to avoid the worst case scenario: If your Rahab Knife is 2-Stars and you DON'T have 45 Rabah Silver and 25 Rahab Gold drops... then no. You'd need two bricks for it, so don't bother.

Originally Posted by Mirai

Or are these bricks meant to be saved for gacha weapons that are hard to get?

Technically, yes. But that does mean using 3x Bricks on the same thing, AND requires you having the thing. I think as far as OP triple skills go, Water so far only has Saraswati and Neptune, I think? Plus Asherah, who gains double Assault, which is also super good. If you don't have any of these three (which probably don't even have FLB on Nutaku yet?), then you don't even have a "proper" Brick target for now.

Originally Posted by Mirai

And for regalia, do I keep saving them to buy more copies of Herc axe?

Why not? It's not like Regalia are limited in supply.

0-Stars gives you access to the best thing, the +30 burst from third ability. This allows you to use PF without outside help, but I guess that doesn't apply all that much to you just yet. Still, makes Herc faster and can help you solo-burst on Herc in some content just for the (upcoming) debuff.
1-Stars gives you access to the second best thing, the -15% Def (Eidolon frame) as a burst effect. This is usually what makes or breaks Herc into your team, as reaching -50% Def is HUGE.
2-Stars gives more burst damage for Herc. It's something, but meh.
3-Stars gives -25% Def (Eidolon frame) as a burst effect. Again, as before, this is largely what makes or breaks Herc but most teams already reach -35-40% before Herc's burst effect, so this upgrade is usually not as big of a deal breaker.

As we're about to enter the Age of Shingen, the Lance would be nice but... for you, I guess it'll still take a good amount of time before you get access to her, so there's no rush.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Congrats. Crom's Crotch is pretty tough since you only have two options:
1. Bring enough firepower to blow her up. Use everything just before Rage, PF Full Burst, blam, no Rage Trigger. For a newer player, this is probably nigh-impossible especially since PF isn't a thing until ~6 months into the game.
2. Tank it. The Trigger is easy to predict since it's not tied to HP% but Rage. But with the amount of damage it deals, this means combining multiple damage cuts. Everyone has access to Joan (but bringing Joan conflicts with other "clear with x Soul" missions!), but the second one is the problem. Water Kaiser is also available for everyone reliably, but 10k Eidolon Orbs is no joke. Also, Crom's Crotch isn't even coming back this year as next up we have three cycles of Cthughua.

Although everyone should be able to clear wave4 of Crom's Crotch as long as they have a full slvl20 Grid, this Guild Order can simply be impossible to clear for some people, simply due to RNG not granting them the tools to deal with that Rage Trigger.

I'm not going to say that you'll be able to clear the other GOs (I can't remember what other bosses do, ha ha!), but they might be more doable.15%. Because FLBs get their max skill level increased to 30. It's really expensive to level up, but Assault/Defender is well worth it.

You had Rudra, yes? If your Rahab Knife is 2-Stars, I'd say yes, it's well worth it. If it's 3-Stars, just wait until you get the ingred- oh wait, did you forget to stack up extra Rahab Silver and Gold drops? Mmm. Yeah, in that case, I guess it's still worth it, just a shame.

And just to avoid the worst case scenario: If your Rahab Knife is 2-Stars and you DON'T have 45 Rabah Silver and 25 Rahab Gold drops... then no. You'd need two bricks for it, so don't bother.Technically, yes. But that does mean using 3x Bricks on the same thing, AND requires you having the thing. I think as far as OP triple skills go, Water so far only has Saraswati and Neptune, I think? Plus Asherah, who gains double Assault, which is also super good. If you don't have any of these three (which probably don't even have FLB on Nutaku yet?), then you don't even have a "proper" Brick target for now.Why not? It's not like Regalia are limited in supply.

0-Stars gives you access to the best thing, the +30 burst from third ability. This allows you to use PF without outside help, but I guess that doesn't apply all that much to you just yet. Still, makes Herc faster and can help you solo-burst on Herc in some content just for the (upcoming) debuff.
1-Stars gives you access to the second best thing, the -15% Def (Eidolon frame) as a burst effect. This is usually what makes or breaks Herc into your team, as reaching -50% Def is HUGE.
2-Stars gives more burst damage for Herc. It's something, but meh.
3-Stars gives -25% Def (Eidolon frame) as a burst effect. Again, as before, this is largely what makes or breaks Herc but most teams already reach -35-40% before Herc's burst effect, so this upgrade is usually not as big of a deal breaker.

As we're about to enter the Age of Shingen, the Lance would be nice but... for you, I guess it'll still take a good amount of time before you get access to her, so there's no rush.

Thank you so much for your detailed response! I do have Rudra and my Rahab Knife is currently at 3 stars. Buuuut like you said, I don't have the silver and gold rahab drops because I didn't know I needed them for FLB lol. When the Rahab event eventually rolls around, will I be able to get those drops? Either way, especially with 15% extra HP I feel like I should just go with it instead of waiting.

As for Shingen, I still need 2 more UE's...