Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also... as the previous poster mentions, the jewel rate up isn't as high (probably 10x?) and isn't reliable at all. I would quit while you're ahead.

It's absolutely not 10x. It's probably closer to 2x, a rate that was never even used on DMM.

And because Jewels are so completely worthless for Rate Ups in Nutaku, it doesn't really matter when you spend them. The chances of getting a Rate Up is astronomically low. You want to use them now? Go ahead, you won't get the Rate Ups. You want to use them later? Go ahead, you won't get the Rate Up Hime.

Originally Posted by Slashley

It's absolutely not 10x. It's probably closer to 2x, a rate that was never even used on DMM.

And because Jewels are so completely worthless for Rate Ups in Nutaku, it doesn't really matter when you spend them. The chances of getting a Rate Up is astronomically low. You want to use them now? Go ahead, you won't get the Rate Ups. You want to use them later? Go ahead, you won't get the Rate Up Hime.

Wow. You are pretty much saying the probability is 0 to get the rate up SSR.
Dude there is one difference, if you use your jewels now or later. No matter how low the probability is.

There are 2 scenarios:

1. If the KH you want, isn't in the pool yet = the probability is 0 to get her.
2. Your KH is out = You have a small chance to get her.

= if you think it logically ... Why wouldnt you just wait till your target is out?
I mean if you save for 1-2months its okay to wait.

However I wouldn't recommend to save for half a year and then dont get your target because like you said the probability is low.
But on the other hand you can at least try it, maybe you are one of the lucky guys.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wow. You are pretty much saying the probability is 0 to get the rate up SSR.
Dude there is one difference, if you use your jewels now or later. No matter how low the probability is.

There are 2 scenarios:

1. If the KH you want, isn't in the pool yet = the probability is 0 to get her.
2. Your KH is out = You have a small chance to get her.

= if you think it logically ... Why wouldnt you just wait till your target is out?
I mean if you save for 1-2months its okay to wait.

However I wouldn't recommend to save for half a year and then dont get your target because like you said the probability is low.
But on the other hand you can at least try it, maybe you are one of the lucky guys.

dun mind him. hes just saltastically pessimistic like usual

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There are 2 scenarios:

1. If the KH you want, isn't in the pool yet = the probability is 0 to get her.
2. Your KH is out = You have a small chance to get her.

Correct.

But please don't confuse "small chance" with "even remotely realistic chance." Your view is far too optimistic.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Correct.

But please don't confuse "small chance" with "even remotely realistic chance." Your view is far too optimistic.

I can say the same thing to you.
You are just too pessimistic.
Not like the probability is the same like to win 1mio$ by lottery.

When prepping for tower events, do people level all their Rs to MLB max level and SRs to LB3 and maxed level(60)? Or is just unlocking the skills enough for hime leveling.

Originally Posted by kyc992

When prepping for tower events, do people level all their Rs to MLB max level and SRs to LB3 and maxed level(60)? Or is just unlocking the skills enough for hime leveling.

Max them all if you can pls

Originally Posted by kyc992

When prepping for tower events, do people level all their Rs to MLB max level and SRs to LB3 and maxed level(60)? Or is just unlocking the skills enough for hime leveling.

If I can toss my 2 cents into the Tower Strategy discussion, I'd like to. These are my current thoughts and plans to help achieve max placement for this (and following) tower events.

What is the basic rules of Tower?

1) You can't use the same Hime for at least two days after.
2) There are fifteen floors and sixteen tickets.
3) You get tower points for clearing with elemental advantage.
4) You get tower points for clearing quickly.
5) There does not seem to be any debuff resistant content.

How should you tackle this event?

From the basic rules, two things stand out. You want bench depth in that element AND you want to kill quickly. To do this you need the best Himes, a lot of them, and you need to do great dps. Since we can't have all that (at least I can't; I'm not a space whale), and this is yet another Tower that is not my main element what can I do to achieve the best possible outcome given limited prep time and resources?

There are two main things I can do. I can raise all Fire Himes or I can work on the Weapon Grid.

By far the most important thing to do is to work on that weapon grid. It affects all teams and, if it's all assault, helps in clearing content quickly. There are three weeks left till the Wind Tower so that means there are 1200 base skill raises or 3000 upgraded (with grails and SRs) skill raises that you have before the event. You should be working trying to put as much into your Fire grid as reasonable. You should always raise your main as high as possible, but after that it should all go into that Fire grid. Find good assault SSRs and push them to skill level 20. If you use Hercules, MLB her axe and raise to skill level 20. That is the best possible bang for your buck as that's 30% element damage (at skill level 20) and at level 125 competes with base advent SSRs. If you have to use SRs raise them at least to level 8, and, if possible, raise them also to level 20. There will be one fire union event between now and the tower event. It will drop two SSRs, get them and raise them as high as possible, if you don't have 10 max fire SSRs already.

The next best thing to do is to make an honest assessment of your fire himes and figure out how many you want to raise to max level. I believe the optimum number is around your best 18. This allows you to build 6 teams of three, 4 teams of four or five and finally for top content 3 teams of six Himes that you'll use for high levels. You can use your other teams and plan on using your main (and alternate) for at least two or three floors of content. In the last tower, since thunder is my absolute worst element (in both Hime and Grid), I ended up having to use my Light, Dark, and Water teams to keep clearing content. I was able to get to floor 13 in the last tower, but didn't rank high because I kept having to fall back on off element teams. No shame in that, but tower rewards on element wins. In the weeks left, you should be able to put together rosters with your best 18 and make sure to raise them all to max level if possible. Sunday should be the day where you feed half elixirs into the Kamihime slot to help those Himes get to max possible level. You will probably be limited by books and stars, but that's expected.

After that I'd also work on raising a set of your best fire accessories (at least 6) that you can swap around from team to team to help the event. This will just take time during the event, but there's no penalty to do it, so plan on doing it. Raise at least 6 and, if time and gems permit, try and make them valuable SSRs. Even a set of six Rs accessories will help tremendously in tower. Don't neglect this!!

If you do have most of this, you should have the basic back end work in place. Then it'll come to actual play strategy and how you put together teams for the actual event. You will want to look at what gets thrown at you and if you need any special counters (if it's a debuff monster look to place cleanse in either the EX or on a Hime, if they buff themselves get dispel, AOE damage look to get a damage cut, etc.). You'll also want to make sure you spread out and prioritize DEF down for the event. Hercules axe gives you 25%, and Ambush and Sniper Shot will get you to 45% for most of the content, but if you have to take dispel or cleanse try and place a Hime in that list with DEF down. You want to hit as hard as possible for the event. Don't try and turtle up; teams that do that aren't helpful. It's okay for the Himes to go down (as long as you still have three at the end of the battle).


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Slashley

It's absolutely not 10x. It's probably closer to 2x, a rate that was never even used on DMM.

And because Jewels are so completely worthless for Rate Ups in Nutaku, it doesn't really matter when you spend them. The chances of getting a Rate Up is astronomically low. You want to use them now? Go ahead, you won't get the Rate Ups. You want to use them later? Go ahead, you won't get the Rate Up Hime.

I have a tendency to get rate-up SRs at least, but oddly enough yeah, most of my SSRs have come to me off-banner. Frey, Atum...I tried for them when they first came out, but I stumbled into them only a bit later on. When I think about it, I think the SSRs that I've actually gotten on rate-up were the limited ones I have, namely Thunder Michael (my rerolled starter), Santa Satan (trying for Christmas Perun and had to keep going), and Dark Amaterasu (trying for Konohana-Sakuya and failed). The latter two were with gold/coins, though. Pretty sure that everything else I have was either a random get or a miracle ticket.