Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by jazz154

By the way, mind explaining "-def/atk B-frame" whose skill are you talking about? Because I don't see that he have anything like that.

i am refering to EX ability that you can borrow from D'art line of heroes - snipe, that is atk/def B-frame debuff (20% to be exact, which is exactly the same as Amaterasu's, who is considered to be one of the best hime because of this skill) that is more powerful than mordred's
as for black propaganda... thats personal preference: ive never found it to be overly useful.

Originally Posted by felix

i am refering to EX ability that you can borrow from D'art line of heroes - snipe, that is atk/def B-frame debuff (20% to be exact, which is exactly the same as Amaterasu's, who is considered to be one of the best hime because of this skill) that is more powerful than mordred's
as for black propaganda... thats personal preference: ive never found it to be overly useful.

But what's the point of bringing up that? He doesn't have it. And that snipe is the reason why I recommended to go D'Artagnian. Although it won't do him any good if doesn't have a gun for D'Artagnian line since they can't use anything else. So going Mordred in that case would be better idea.

Originally Posted by jazz154

But what's the point of bringing up that? He doesn't have it. And that snipe is the reason why I recommended to go D'Artagnian. Although it won't do him any good if doesn't have a gun for D'Artagnian line since they can't use anything else. So going Mordred in that case would be better idea.

you dont need to go all the way to D'art. Granulae is enough to get pretty much same atk/def debuff that mordred would provide. And no, you dont go to D'art for the debuff, you ever go to D'art for the Snatch. That is the only reason why he is ever picked.

Originally Posted by felix

Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers

Why would it be? thats nonsense. You can have too much heal but how could you have too much debuff or damage? Actually he has 1 single debuff. Assuming he will get Gabriel thats 2 debuff and not a single dupe with Mordred. If she is not useful in this case, then when would she be? And we are just talking about one of her spells.
Getting Dart's debuff implies to spend 500sp just for it, so you would better go with Granuaile's debuff but its pretty much the same than getting Mordred + whatever you want on ex slot.
On raid boss, dots alone deal 15-20k damage every turn. I don't know how many atk power you have but none of my char does that much damage for sure.
You can rely on an Eidolon for blind but it means around 8 turns before you can apply it (since he wont start with apo or uroboros or whatever), which mean less damage mitigation.
I cant disagree with dizz success rate, but again, your better chance to apply it is after Mordred's resist debuff (which will also lower the chance to miss Sol's and Gabriel's debuff).

I'm sorry if it feels like i only swear by Mordred, cause i'm clearly not. But i'm running 2 teams like that. My main account is a light team with Sieg + Gawain debuff on ex slot, and sol + urania for atk debuff. The only damage buff i have is Michael's light buff for now.
Aside that i have the exact same team as he has with Mordred. I only use it to proc raid boss (i know its a shame) and i didnt even bother upgrade it, so crappy atk power, only one lb on Nike and 2 on Rusalka.
There is a huge ATK power difference between those two teams but in comparison, it feels way more comfortable with Mordred.
I also have a fire team with Andromeda and she can handle healing alone (ok Amateratsu helps a bit ^-^ ) , so using her with sol + nike? meh.
Again, thats my opinion, but if it was my team, i would unlock Mordred first for sure, then Sieg, and rely on Cassiopeia if you need extra healing (or even leave healing to sol alone, who cares?)

Anyway. Its late, i'm out now. Thx for the talk cya mate

Originally Posted by felix

you ever go to D'art for the Snatch

yeah, and even then i don't think it worth 500 sp

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

You can have too much heal (

nonsense: heals are capped, and best heals heal for 1.5k at most, and that is if you get an SSR. Right now that might be enough, but when enemies start hitting for 4k the entire team, id like to see you repeat that theres too much healing.

Going by that, the scaling for this game sounds like it's gonna be really unbalanced further in the game. I'm sure most players still haven't fully break limit'd their SR/SSR units but even when we get to that point, if things really do start hitting that hard, the lack of scaling healing mechanics sounds like it's gonna be an issue in this game to where it's gonna end up being an entire glass cannon game, kill before you are hit or die.

I'm also bothered by how we have skills that increase/reduce defense when the so called defense value isn't displayed in the game in first place. Gonna guess it's just some hidden value or all defense skills are just another damage multiplier (reduce/increase damage by X) instead of actual defense stat buff/debuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwB51eCyChs

one of the more recent videos of current DMM endgame. 1.5-2k dmg per normal attack from stage 2/3 is what im gettin hit when Typhoon manages to get off a raginf overdrive. However when you have 7-9k hp on everyone, you can take some beating. Also keep in mind that this is 1 year from where we are right now, and i beleive his total power is ~40k? dont quote me on that. And considering that we already have people with over 30k power, i assume that game scaling will slow down to a crawl (1k->30k in a month, but 30k->40k in 11 months?) So yeah, i wouldnt expect any difficulty jumps like garuda->typhoo, except maybe the introduction of Ragnarok difficulty and accessory thingy.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Going by that, the scaling for this game sounds like it's gonna be really unbalanced further in the game. I'm sure most players still haven't fully break limit'd their SR/SSR units but even when we get to that point, if things really do start hitting that hard, the lack of scaling healing mechanics sounds like it's gonna be an issue in this game to where it's gonna end up being an entire glass cannon game, kill before you are hit or die.

I'm guessing that's why everyone tends to talk in terms of attack power: because if high-difficulty fights drag on, you're going to die no matter what. Though clearly that's not the current situation, since I'm only beginning to hit 1500 heals and triple healer (or Roland + double healer) can keep my group alive more or less indefinitely.

I'm also bothered by how we have skills that increase/reduce defense when the so called defense value isn't displayed in the game in first place. Gonna guess it's just some hidden value or all defense skills are just another damage multiplier (reduce/increase damage by X) instead of actual defense stat buff/debuff.

If you look at the damage formula, defense can be viewed as a simple damage multiplier. DEF -50% = DMG +100%. Furthermore, the more you stack DEF down, the more useful it becomes (the first -25% gets you a 33% DMG increase, while the second -25% gets you a 66% DMG increase).

That's why pairing strong A-type and B-type defense debuffs is so important and increases damage so radically, and why the extra 5% from an evolved ability like D'art's can make a bigger difference than you might expect at first glance. Conversely, attack buffs are somewhat less valuable because they're straight multipliers without that added scaling, and are also additive with assault skill rather than multiplicative. Coincidentally, the only C-frame defense debuff in the game comes from a water-element SSR kamihime.

Lovecraft ftw XD

This game is trolling me.

Yesterday I grabbed the event gatcha ticket, used it, and got a rainbow! Could it be a character-...nah, Behemoth SSR summon. New, at least, so can't complain.

Today I used my 3k gem pull, got two gold out of it. Useless SR summon and Chronos, who's new at least.

Just now I used the daily gatcha ticket, got a rainbow! Could...could this one be a chara-...NOPE! Another Behemoth SSR summon. :/