Thread: Preferred Eidolon Buffs (DMG calculator included)

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I have no idea what this sentence means.

ATK↑/Burst Streak DMG↑ compared to a ATK↑/HP↑ buff. There is no damage loss.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

ATK↑/Burst Streak DMG↑ compared to a ATK↑/HP↑ buff. There is no damage loss.

Depends where you are in the game, honestly. I joined a lot of raids last week where everyone was knocked out. +Burst wouldn't have done them any good.

Originally Posted by CBW

Depends where you are in the game, honestly. I joined a lot of raids last week where everyone was knocked out. +Burst wouldn't have done them any good.

Yea, in my first post of this topic I state I prefer all offense as long as I meet the HP threshold.

Regardless, raids are raids because multiple people can run it. If you can solo them, great on you but the intent is to have multiple people help each other out. It'd be like complaining how much one keeps dying in a party based dungeon in a MMO trying to solo it.

When you get to where you can solo it (or simply know what you're doing as like this user here who clearly does), having extra HP is unnecessary when deciding over it or more damage.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

ATK↑/Burst Streak DMG↑ compared to a ATK↑/HP↑ buff. There is no damage loss.

The end damage works out to about the same, but you lose the HP buff! And your damage is still less than if you'd used an elemental DMG buff, making it more or less useless outside of a Burst-hour full raid scenario where that initial Burst will constitute the majority of your final damage.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

The end damage works out to about the same, but you lose the HP buff! And your damage is still less than if you'd used an elemental DMG buff, making it more or less useless.

End damage would be higher going ATK/Burst than ATK/HP. Your damage would be more if you chose the Element DMG over either ATK/HP or ATK/Burst because all SSR eidolons with both attack and HP/Burst are all limited to character ATK and not element DMG. My posts was just a comparison between choosing HP or Burst as I didn't see the option in the poll and there is no ElementDMG/HP to compare in the first place.

Unless I missed a eidolon with it.

Element DMG = Element ATK btw, just using DMG to make it easier to differentiate between the two types in my post.

What's the different between element attack up and character element attack up?

Originally Posted by Aidoru

End damage would be higher going ATK/Burst than ATK/HP.

What are you basing this on?

Originally Posted by Losticus

What's the different between element attack up and character element attack up?

They're different factors in the damage equation. Character attack up is additive with assault skill as well as attack modifiers from most buffs and debuffs, while elemental DMG is multiplicative with those (and additive with other elemental modifiers).

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

What are you basing this on?

If you play 2 battles doing the exact same thing, ignoring RNG factors. Both do the exact same damage when it comes to regular attacks and skills, but as long as you got out 1 burst streak, you already did more damage using ATK/Burst than using ATK/HP.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Both do the exact same damage when it comes to regular attacks and skills

But they don't? Vuritora's character ATK buff caps at 30%. Jormugand's caps at 40%. Ifrit is an outlier (50% base) because Gatcha; we can't all have the exact Gatcha eidolon we want.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

If you play 2 battles doing the exact same thing, ignoring RNG factors. Both do the exact same damage when it comes to regular attacks and skills, but as long as you got out 1 burst streak, you already did more damage using ATK/Burst than using ATK/HP.

Isn't typhon only like 25% attack buff at max compared to Jorm's 40% attack?

EDIT: Also, I generally agree with you - but that's the caveat against easier opponents. Against harder opponents, more hp can increase your damage by allowing your starter Eidolons to survive damage that would otherwise be fatal. So I think assuming all else is equal, extra burst damage is better for easier raids where your Eidolon is not threatened and extra hp is better for harder ones where your Eidolons may die.