Thread: What Soul to Unlock?

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I don't actually care all that much about Solomon's Ring, though the explanation about how ability damage modifiers affect skills with damage multipliers was useful. As usual, the game mechanics are needlessly unintuitive, and it's left to players to figure out how they actually work. But my takeaway from this isn't that ability up modifiers are good--it's that other modifiers scale terribly. In the end, a good modifier becoming less good over time doesn't make a bad modifier good. It's still bad; it's just that the alternatives are now worse. But I've also been saying for a while now that temporary character attack buffs are overrated.

But I'm more interested in where this assumption comes from that assist skills buff the whole group. Where's the evidence / what's the source for this?

Solomon's ring is an example for its kind. Susanoo's first ability hits 8x times, Brahma's first hits 8x times too. Soul is free, SSR kamis...only with luck.

Basically, all true effects of buffs are easily to calculate. Attk buff % / (1+weapon buff%) = real %,
so 20% attk buff and 100% weapon assault buff give 20% / 2 = 10%. If 160%, then 20% / 2.6 = 7.6%

For ability buff, you need to take the ability damage multiplier as divisor.
20% ability up / ability damage multiplier = real %, solomon's ring gets less than 1. It's weak actually and it doesn't benefit much from type advantage. Only later, when other buffs get their Diminishing Return, this ability will shine.

Assist ability is weird. As far as I read, All soul's assists only buff themselves and kami's assist applies to the whole group, when active (not in the sub slot) I got the information from chinese forum, based on their own calculation.

The real % for description "small, middle and big" are all different, big could mean 20% or 30%... DMM also often changes parameters and there are cap for the damage, that a kami/soul can deal with their ability... Even some SRs can do incredible damage under certain circumstance, their potential is limited, because they will hit their cap. The cap for SSR is much higher than SR.

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Originally Posted by felix

yeah, but after reading your detailed explanation in post #28, i wrote post #30, which you apparently didn't bother to read, since that's where I admit, that solomonring is not as shitty as i gave it credit



That's quite presumptuous. Do you know me? Are you my calculus teacher? Just because i cant be bothered to do math in this game, it isn't my strength? Great logic there.



Because your responses entertain me.



Ooooh, you got me there, this sentence makes as much sense as your logic, and that's quite an achievement.

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I'm pretty sure it comes from tutorial popup when you enter a menu for the first time (i think it was a tutorial on 1st opening of "edit" menu). I might be wrong here, but i believe it says there that assist skills do affect whole group. gona create new account to double check.
No, nevermind, it doesnt say anything about assist skills.

You are entertaining me too. Someone got beaten by elementary school's math. Words are inaccurate, figure is exact,
so figure >>> mememememememememememe, mememememmeememe, memememememememe.
There is good reason, why you intended to avoid the post #33 and return to those shit talk without any sense. I offer you the chance to contribute some constructive information, but it seems you can nothing else than shit talking.

So keep entertaining yourself , you really need it. Topic closed.