Thread: Debuff overwriting confirmed to be bugged in English version

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't think you can overwrite buffs at all, unless there is a different phase for HoTs and DoTs that is separate from the attack phase?

If I use Orlean Call (from Joan) and then I use Divine Solar Shield+ (from Amaterasu), my regeneration for that turn stays at 250 instead of increasing to 400.

This thread is about debuff overwriting. As for overwriting buffs, regeneration is a weird case, I'm not really sure how that works. However you can overwrite some buffs. For example if you use fenrir active (that grants increased ability damage) and then oceanus ability damage increase spell, it will overwrite.

It looks like the debuff overwriting bug has been fixed. Sniper Shot now properly overwrites Outrage and persistently increases damage, and the second Outrage after Sniper Shot now misses as it should. It's unclear how this affects other anomalies such as Regen overwriting.

The most immediate effects of this are that Auto-skill with Mordred and Sniper Shot will work better, and Raids won't be permanently gimped by new players using weak debuffs early in the fight and blocking veterans from applying the stronger versions. That'll make Ragnarok Raids much easier.

I've updated the Buff and Debuff Stacking section of my guide accordingly.

A video of my 2nd test will be made available here shortly.

Was this fixed in today's maintenance? Since I'm pretty sure that a few days ago, whenever I used Sniper Shot after Outrage, I was still not doing the -40% Def amount of damage.

Still not fixed.

Actually I went and tested again just to confirm and something strange happened. The first attack after the good buffs did the damage I'd expect, but then the second was back down to Outrage levels of damage. It's a difference of ~8000 so it's not just variance, not sure what happened there.

Originally Posted by Kureru

Still not fixed.

Actually I went and tested again just to confirm and something strange happened. The first attack after the good buffs did the damage I'd expect, but then the second was back down to Outrage levels of damage. It's a difference of ~8000 so it's not just variance, not sure what happened there.

Well, as the first post says:

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

-- Intriguingly, it appeared to increase normal attack damage in the SAME ROUND it was applied, but this bonus did not carry over to subsequent rounds, suggesting a strange system glitch rather than a design oversight.--

Bleh, that's what I get for not reading I guess. The second attack was fatal so I couldn't test any further, I'll try again later but it's looking like it's unfixed

Originally Posted by Kureru

Still not fixed.

Actually I went and tested again just to confirm and something strange happened. The first attack after the good buffs did the damage I'd expect, but then the second was back down to Outrage levels of damage. It's a difference of ~8000 so it's not just variance, not sure what happened there.

That's odd. What did you test on? I tested on the Expert Raid boss. It's... possible that the new event bosses operate on different system rules than other content. That would be truly erratic.

Also, I performed my confirmation testing after receiving 2 other reports about this. So it's repeatable.

I tested on light disaster. I went and tried again and got full damage, maybe I just had a brainfart and saw 28 as 20 when I tested.

I have a theory about what's going on with heals causing damage during Raid battles. It could be that only 1 heal effect is allowed per turn, and that subsequent heals are actually OVERWRITING the effect of prior heals. Thus when you get a heal from another party's Andromeda, then heal yourself, if your heal is less than that of Andromeda's then it actually reduces your party's HP. Unconfirmed, but it explains what I just observed with my team.