Thread: Help on improving team for advance content

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Note that damage reduction is not the same as defense up. Although I think they might work the same, not exactly sure how defense works. Not in terms of frames, they are literally different buff categories.

Andromeda's defense buff is listed as 20% defense, however defense works, and Joan is -40% damage reduction. In addition to that Joan has a -20% atk down debuff, which you could have used on Typhon before it used its overdrive. Amaterasu's defense buff is 30% defense according to the jp wiki and because they are separate category you could have stacked Amaterasu's defensive buff with Joan's defensive and atk down to mitigate even more damage from its raging overdrive. Though I'm sure one of the biggest factors for a dark teams against Ragnarok Typhon was the lack of HP eidolons. The fight itself was rather simple, just a build up burst, eat 2 regular overdrives, full burst at rage, mitigate a raging overdrive, push into stun, and pretty much win since she's had a very long stun phase, enough to recovery all skills, build up burst and even heal off of regen skills.

My weaker light team (SSR Raphael, SR Artemis, SR Belebog, SSR Amaterasu) has been able to clear all Advent Ragnaroks. No defender weapons and only 1 SSR weapon, rest SRs, so you can guess how low my HP is, the only bonus HP I can get is from relying on a friend with Hecatonchires. I did draw Metatron last week though so I'm not sure if she'll be making a big difference for future content.

Originally Posted by dreadpin

if u had Amaterasu in the fight, u can put def up in every overdrive... Typhon has 3 turn to overdrive with Black Propaganda it's 4 turn, Amaterasu and Andromeda both Def up are 6 turns CD, regen and heals + the blind should be able to sustain very well....

You might be right. Was hesitant on using Amaterasu on Typhon since she hits for like 4k-5k when Andromeda's defense skill was up and Amaterasu without a weapon or eidolon hp bonus had only about 7k hp compared to 9k-10k for dark kamihime supported with the defender. Didn't think she would survive past two overdrives.

Blind, black propaganda, or any other debuffs applied during the fight was unreliable for any turn besides the turn they were applied on, but using Amaterasu's B-frame debuff as a one turn damage mitigation might have been a better idea than focusing on the defense down portion of the debuff.

On that note, I was under the assumption that it was frowned upon to use mixed color teams. But in this case it seems that a mix color team is pretty much required to complement Dark's current lack of sustain. So I would like to ask what's the general rule of thumb of using different color kamihime?

It's mostly just Amaterasu and Sol who are often praised and recommended to use regardless of element because of how great their skills are. Amaterasu basically removes the need to use Sniper Shot on your soul and other defensive support while Sol is just a great healer and debuffer with a dispel and a rare c-frame atk down. Note that this is regular Sol we are talking about. Summer Sol is alright but regular Sol is on another level of usefulness.

Though I would personally not recommend using both at the same time in a team that is neither of their elements.

Amaterasu does have a time limited dark version though, which is just as good if not better.

the blind is quite something to me, u casted that in first turn which u avoided a 3 strikes that kill a Hime, even if the boss dispel it immediately u can consider that it deal 0 dmg that turn....otherwise it continue to miss her hits for few turns

black propaganda only used when Typhon is in rage and at 3/3 overdrive which u unable to stun her in time

mix color is bad but some times the skill just too good to be miss....i usually taking 3 dark + 1 random hime with necessary skills

example
Typhon - Nike for def up and heals to last longer to save up burst
Dullahan - Belobog for remove death debuff from my 3 primary himes
Garuda - not much threat to me, i use full dark

if i had Hades i think i can use full dark for every Rag since she can cover 4 things blind, def up, prevent debuff and atk down

Originally Posted by darkace51

I was under the assumption that it was frowned upon to use mixed color teams. But in this case it seems that a mix color team is pretty much required to complement Dark's current lack of sustain. So I would like to ask what's the general rule of thumb of using different color kamihime?

You should fill in the 5th slot with an off-element kamihime when doing so fills in critical gaps in your team's skills. You lose about 15% of your damage, but that's worth sacrificing to bring in healing, debuffs, and utility skills like cleanse and dispel.