Thread: Which Kamis to go for with Miracle Tickets?

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Not sure where you're going with this. Difficult situations are what you optimize for. If it's not difficult, then you'll win regardless so that case doesn't matter.

Ah, it's you again.
Actually, I agree with you on this issue, for almost every sentences, except that you misinterpret my post. I’m really confused as such misinterpretation seemed happening quite frequently given that I don't write many posts on this forum.

Maybe it's my bad that I don't explain everything in detail, but rather assuming people have a little common sense. For this time, I think the term "core KH" already implies that the KH is the core for her own element, or do you think there's one core KH for all the element? Like Sol?:

In my recent posts, I once recommended Aphrodite, and also told another player "depends on which SSR you already have". So plz don't speak like I'm ignoring the context and suggesting everybody to choose Amat or Cthulhu. What I was saying is: if you don't have the core, get the core. Defense / healer comes after that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Though using Amaterasu as an example of a kamihime with 3 good skills, I'm not sure what to think.

Well, this is beyond misinterpretation, literally making up what I never said.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

For the optimal or near-optimal builds I covered, for any off-element where Amaterasu fits, Sol can be subbed with equivalent or better results. Meanwhile Sol fits in Water and Wind builds, while Amaterasu does not.

Forget your own "contextual" speech so soon? Say in a party of the first 3 water SSRs i.e. Shiva, Poseidon and Aphrodite, Sol would fit better than Amat?

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Forget your own "contextual" speech so soon? Say in a party of the first 3 water SSRs i.e. Shiva, Poseidon and Aphrodite, Sol would fit better than Amat?

Check the first part of the sentence you quoted. And why would someone have these 3 SSRs, and only these 3 SSRs, by chance? And why would you run Amaterasu in the difficult content that matters to Water teams, such as Accessory Quests and Ragnarok Disasters? You're creating edge cases for the sake of quarreling, not for solving a problem.

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Well, this is beyond misinterpretation, literally making up what I never said.

It wasn't beyond, it was simply it mistaken identity. I went to gather context from the snippet and ended up mistaking your post with Waniiii's post, who stated it right after. Since you two have a similar name with no avatars, mistakenly took his post as yours. Doesn't help he was the one who replied after.

Regardless, the first half of my post still stands.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Regardless, the first half of my post still stands.

There was a word “nitpicking” in sanahtlig’s last post before edited, which perfectly describes what you two have been doing, possibly that’s why he removed it.

I didn’t bother with your first part cuz this gonna be stating the obvious, but if you insist:

First of all, classifying KHs is a simplification of the complexity of their ability composition, thus I started that paragraph with “In general”.
Atk down, surely it’s a debuff, along with def up, are typically of defense style, e.g. Joan.
Healing and cleanse are healers’ abilities.
Def down, affliction and gauge manipulation are debuffer’s skill, who usually classified as Tricky type in-game, e.g. Mordred.
After all this is just terminology, if you still got different opinions, be my guest.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

You're creating edge cases for the sake of quarreling, not for solving a problem.

Isn’t it you who are actually creating cases and mixing up arguments here? I merely put up a counter-example to your claim of Sol’s off-element superiority in ANY builds over Amat.
Besides, your created cases don’t seem lend much support to Sol, or are you just trying to argue the build itself illegitimate?

Solving the problem is rather simple. Using off-element KH is for her abilities that single-element team needs but can’t provide. It’s a naturally contextual choice. The trade-off among def down, soul and off-element KH is obviously also contextual.

Originally Posted by Wanderer

There was a word “nitpicking” in sanahtlig’s last post before edited, which perfectly describes what you two have been doing, possibly that’s why he removed it.

I didn’t bother with your first part cuz this gonna be stating the obvious, but if you insist:

First of all, classifying KHs is a simplification of the complexity of their ability composition, thus I started that paragraph with “In general”.
Atk down, surely it’s a debuff, along with def up, are typically of defense style, e.g. Joan.
Healing and cleanse are healers’ abilities.
Def down, affliction and gauge manipulation are debuffer’s skill, who usually classified as Tricky type in-game, e.g. Mordred.
After all this is just terminology, if you still got different opinions, be my guest.

If it was a matter of stating the obvious, then you would have no need to state it in the first place. You having the need to post the obvious is no different than what sanahtlig is mentioning you're doing "You're creating edge cases for the sake of quarreling".

Your explanation of the in-game types has nothing to do with my what I originally posted, that being your implication of Sol not filling the role of a debuffer and having less value when it comes to being a miracle ticket option compared to kamihime such as Amaterasu or Cthulhu.

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Isn’t it you who are actually creating cases and mixing up arguments here? I merely put up a counter-example to your claim of Sol’s off-element superiority in ANY builds over Amat.
Besides, your created cases don’t seem lend much support to Sol, or are you just trying to argue the build itself illegitimate?

Solving the problem is rather simple. Using off-element KH is for her abilities that single-element team needs but can’t provide. It’s a naturally contextual choice. The trade-off among def down, soul and off-element KH is obviously also contextual.

1. What are my "created cases"?
2. Your counter-example is irrelevant. Tell me: if you were that player, what character would you pick with your next Miracle ticket?

Back to the original point, since this is quickly spinning into a useless argument: A common question I get is what single kamihime to pick for a starter team, as most players don't have the stamina to reroll for 2+ same-element SSR kamihime. "It depends" doesn't work as an answer here; it's simply a cop-out. My comment about the value of Sol over Amaterasu was an answer to this question. They're both versatile, but Sol fits into more of the optimal or near-optimal builds discussed in my guide. This is not just my impression; it stems from core game mechanics and--like most claims I make--is supported with evidence.

Not for miracle tickets (since I ended to be F2P), but a related question:

I have a non re-rolled account with the following KH

Fire: Ceridwen, Amon, Agni, Baphoment, Hestia, Ignis, Dazbog, Nergal
Water: Nodens, Kikuri-hime, SR Nike, Apsara, Dagon, Oto-hime, Rusalka, Undine
Wind: Cybele, Maeve, Boreas, Puck, Zephyrus
Thunder: Thor, Baal, Nemesis, Indra, Verethragna
Dark: Nyarlathotep, Mephistopheles, Naberius
Light: Metatron, Aurora, Orpheus, Urania

Gacha SSR eidolon is Behemoth.

Is now (holiday gacha) a good time for me to roll gems? Or is there a release bonus that I should be waiting for that would significantly improve my team?

I think my best teams are water (double healer, but my heals are starting to get outscaled) or wind (double attack down, run either full wind or Lilim Luxuria, Aurora, Nyarlathotep) but one good SSR could probably change that. Rolling sooner gives me a higher chance of getting core SSRs like Sol, Gaia, Amaterasu before they get further diluted, so I don't think I should hoard gems, but should I?

Bonus question: have D'Artagnan and Mordred unlocked. What Soul should be next, for your recommended configuration? I'm thinking Joan... she seems to be recommended for a lot of bosses.

Originally Posted by Coconut

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Bonus question: have D'Artagnan and Mordred unlocked. What Soul should be next, for your recommended configuration? I'm thinking Joan... she seems to be recommended for a lot of bosses.

The order I recommend is Gawain, Cass, Mordred, Dartagnan/Joan. So yes, Joan is a good idea.

Water main with
Cthulu
Aprhodite
Poseiden

Usually run with Belphegor on the last slot

Is it worth it to grab another SSR water? Nike works well withh Cthulu but then two healers might be a bit redundant. Or I could grab a wind SSR (gaia probably) to cover my weakness (wind secondary team). Or just get to sol to go in any team?

Originally Posted by someuser825

Water main with
Cthulu
Aprhodite
Poseiden

Usually run with Belphegor on the last slot

Is it worth it to grab another SSR water? Nike works well withh Cthulu but then two healers might be a bit redundant. Or I could grab a wind SSR (gaia probably) to cover my weakness (wind secondary team). Or just get to sol to go in any team?

Most likely Ryu-Oh. You can replace Belphegor and use Sniper Shot on your soul, preferably Joan if you need her damage reduction, if not Arthur or Siegfried for offense. You won't need to use Mordred anymore with this team.

Next in line on priority would be Snow Raphael then Nike. Though you won't be able to get Raphael with a miracle ticket.