Thread: Which Kamis to go for with Miracle Tickets?

Originally Posted by Waniiii

Amaterasu adds a lot of survavibility to many teams.

Her shield gives +30% Def and a 400 HP regen for 3 turns.
And blindness usually prevent a Kami from being murdered when a boss get a lucky double/triple attack.

Sol's 3minute -20% cframe atk down and heals will easily out match a 3 turn def up and regen. Blind is easily replaceable.

Amaterasu's blind has and at max LB it goes even higher, I'm not sure how accurate this is but for me it's been around 85% accurate without Mordred's Vissitudes of Fortune

The problem with my beloved Fire is the A frame debuff, you're obligated to use Ambush in Fire, also Summer Sol is pretty meh, I ended up with her in the Sub Party with Brynhildr as my healer
Otherwise Fire would be perfect, even though a Ryu-Oh esque Black Propaganda won't be bad

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sol's 3minute -20% cframe atk down and heals will easily out match a 3 turn def up and regen. Blind is easily replaceable.

Don't forget that with Amaterasu you don't need Sniper Shot, so you free that need that most teams have -20 AT -20 DE B frame

Also Sol has his drawbacks like the cleansing being After the Healing, that already fucked half of her usefulness with zombify raids once

For the optimal or near-optimal builds I covered, for any off-element team where Amaterasu fits, Sol can be subbed with equivalent or better results. Meanwhile Sol fits in Water and Wind builds, while Amaterasu does not. Conversely, Amaterasu is optimal for Fire, while Light is weaker in general and thus Sol lacks a true optimal build.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm not sure about several of the kamihimes hes mentioned either, will those even be out for the first ticket? Though using Amaterasu as an example of a kamihime with 3 good skills, I'm not sure what to think. (Her only real use is her 20/20 atkdef down.)

Originally Posted by Waniiii

Amaterasu adds a lot of survavibility to many teams.

Her shield gives +30% Def and a 400 HP regen for 3 turns.
And blindness usually prevent a Kami from being murdered when a boss get a lucky double/triple attack.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sol's 3minute -20% cframe atk down and heals will easily out match a 3 turn def up and regen. Blind is easily replaceable.

My post was about the usefulness of Amaterasu, not a comparison of Amaterasu vs Sol.

For Fire teams, Amaterasu is one of the key Kamis, as fire in general lacks healing/debuffs.

Actually you got it wrong, Fire has a nice SR healer +1250 which also boosts the whole party's attack and double hit rate (also has a shitty multi hit skill) and Summer Sol, but we don't talk about her
And about debuffs it's pretty much the same, the Debuffer that Fire lacks is an a Frame attack debuffer, every attribute lacks certain except water/wind

But in the end Amaterasu's Debuff is the same as Sniper Shot and can be replaced or "patched" by it at the cost of your EX slot
Something that you can't say about Sol since no Soul has a C Frame debuff, even though Sol is to patch disfunctional teams to begin with

The point isn't a comparison as well, the point of that is: No Kamihime is perfect and you can't state so even if one excels in what others don't and vice versa for "x" subject
Because another will excel in what that Kamihime lacks/fails
The thing is knowing what a team needs as a base and filling your necessities

We wouldn't be having this conversation if Sol's debuff wasn't C frame, that's what's special about her
Healing, most attributes have, dispel as well and notice that this dispel is after the heal so on certain situations one of the other it's rather useless

Originally Posted by Pareidolia

The point isn't a comparison as well, the point of that is: No Kamihime is perfect and you can't state so even if one excels in what others don't and vice versa for "x" subject
Because another will excel in what that Kamihime lacks/fails
The thing is knowing what a team needs as a base and filling your necessities

The problem that users tend to face is that what's needed is not known, either because they don't have a team yet (new players), they don't know what future Gatcha rolls will bring, or they face uncertainty about the Miracle ticket schedule and what kamihime will be available with each ticket. Any proposed solution needs to address these uncertainties to some extent.

My guide attempts to tackle the problem comprehensively by laying out optimal builds for each element and offering alternatives when appropriate, and also advising users to start with general picks that are useful for any element (e.g., Sol) and to use Miracle tickets to optimize for a single element later.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

Not sure where you're going with this. Difficult situations are what you optimize for. If it's not difficult, then you'll win regardless so that case doesn't matter.

Ah, it's you again.
Actually, I agree with you on this issue, for almost every sentences, except that you misinterpret my post. I’m really confused as such misinterpretation seemed happening quite frequently given that I don't write many posts on this forum.

Maybe it's my bad that I don't explain everything in detail, but rather assuming people have a little common sense. For this time, I think the term "core KH" already implies that the KH is the core for her own element, or do you think there's one core KH for all the element? Like Sol?:

In my recent posts, I once recommended Aphrodite, and also told another player "depends on which SSR you already have". So plz don't speak like I'm ignoring the context and suggesting everybody to choose Amat or Cthulhu. What I was saying is: if you don't have the core, get the core. Defense / healer comes after that.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Though using Amaterasu as an example of a kamihime with 3 good skills, I'm not sure what to think.

Well, this is beyond misinterpretation, literally making up what I never said.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

For the optimal or near-optimal builds I covered, for any off-element where Amaterasu fits, Sol can be subbed with equivalent or better results. Meanwhile Sol fits in Water and Wind builds, while Amaterasu does not.

Forget your own "contextual" speech so soon? Say in a party of the first 3 water SSRs i.e. Shiva, Poseidon and Aphrodite, Sol would fit better than Amat?

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Forget your own "contextual" speech so soon? Say in a party of the first 3 water SSRs i.e. Shiva, Poseidon and Aphrodite, Sol would fit better than Amat?

Check the first part of the sentence you quoted. And why would someone have these 3 SSRs, and only these 3 SSRs, by chance? And why would you run Amaterasu in the difficult content that matters to Water teams, such as Accessory Quests and Ragnarok Disasters? You're creating edge cases for the sake of quarreling, not for solving a problem.

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Well, this is beyond misinterpretation, literally making up what I never said.

It wasn't beyond, it was simply it mistaken identity. I went to gather context from the snippet and ended up mistaking your post with Waniiii's post, who stated it right after. Since you two have a similar name with no avatars, mistakenly took his post as yours. Doesn't help he was the one who replied after.

Regardless, the first half of my post still stands.