Much as I loath to make a thread about only this, but... Awakening opinions?

[Eab1990]

I'd take Victoria's AW ability over Bashira's since those goblin archers can be tanked by way more units than liches can. Defense is easy to find, MR not so much. Sure, liches are way rarer than goblin archers and the like, but they also tend to be harder to deal with (if you don't have Sophie, Sybilla, Clissa, etc. then you often end up swapping lightning rods; black goblin archers hit hard sure, but drop a mage then Gellius/Bernice with heal support and they'll melt easily enough).

TLDR: Bernice is a common enough unit that can tank Goblin Archers (even black ones with skill) while most of the units necessary to lightning rod multiple liches are Black rarity, or at least platinum, but it all depends on team availability. Bashira's skill blows away Victoria's most of the time though, so there's that.

You shouldn't have an archer focus-firing on lichs to begin with though. Unless said archer is Nanaly. Or the lich is literally alone.

Lichs are bad for both AW Bashira and AW Victoria, it's just that Bashira is less screwed by it since she also prioritizes other enemies that can, y'know, actually hurt her and other ranged allies, thus potentially removing the need to throw down a tank to be saved for later (read: lichs again). Whereas Victoria won't target the enemy archers/cannoneers, so if a group of those show up with a lich, she's definitely screwed without a tank.

[IvanLedah21]

You shouldn't have an archer focus-firing on lichs to begin with though. Unless said archer is Nanaly. Or the lich is literally alone.

Lichs are bad for both AW Bashira and AW Victoria, it's just that Bashira is less screwed by it since she also prioritizes other enemies that can, y'know, actually hurt her and other ranged allies, thus potentially removing the need to throw down a tank to be saved for later (read: lichs again). Whereas Victoria won't target the enemy archers/cannoneers, so if a group of those show up with a lich, she's definitely screwed without a tank.

Fair enough except... when are you EVER going to throw down ANY archer and leave her vulnerable to targeted fire? My point is killing liches quickly is generally more vital than killing enemy archers since archers are easier to tank than liches unless you have certain units like Sophie, most of whom are black rarity and therefore not commonly owned. Also, do liches have high defense? Otherwise I don't see an issue with killing them with archers (unless you have an AW VH lol). Any physical ranged unit should do as long as they're protected from attacks by tanks/lightning rods and if you're not lucky enough to have a high-quality lightning rod you're going to need to do swapping and having Victoria focus on the lich means it dies sooner, therefore fewer lightning rod swaps needed.

Also, I acknowledged in my recommendation post that TC doesn't have Bernice, the reason I brought her up is to show that there are plenty of units that can tank archers that aren't rare summons, while the units that can tank liches are much rarer and most of them are Plat or Black.


Now to be fair, I have a lot of premium units so this isn't an issue I've had to deal with, so my theoretical statements here could be inaccurate in practice. I'm talking how it looks on paper.

[Eab1990]

Fair enough except... when are you EVER going to throw down ANY archer and leave her vulnerable to targeted fire? My point is killing liches quickly is generally more vital than killing enemy archers since archers are easier to tank than liches unless you have certain units like Sophie, most of whom are black rarity and therefore not commonly owned. Also, do liches have high defense? Otherwise I don't see an issue with killing them with archers (unless you have an AW VH lol). Any physical ranged unit should do as long as they're protected from attacks by tanks/lightning rods and if you're not lucky enough to have a high-quality lightning rod you're going to need to do swapping and having Victoria focus on the lich means it dies sooner, therefore fewer lightning rod swaps needed.

Also, I acknowledged in my recommendation post that TC doesn't have Bernice, the reason I brought her up is to show that there are plenty of units that can tank archers that aren't rare summons, while the units that can tank liches are much rarer and most of them are Plat or Black.


Now to be fair, I have a lot of premium units so this isn't an issue I've had to deal with, so my theoretical statements here could be inaccurate in practice. I'm talking how it looks on paper.

A lot of G maps (maybe some X maps too) have early goblin archers, and thus you don't have the luxury to drop an expensive tank early, especially if you need to save them for something bigger later in the map.

That mostly applies to blind runs though. Still, if you know a lich is on that map, then naturally you'll put ranged units down first, and that sometimes means putting the archers in the line of fire alone until you're ready to bring out the healers/tanks. AW Bashira just circumvents the need for an early melee tank.

[IvanLedah21]

A lot of G maps (maybe some X maps too) have early goblin archers, and thus you don't have the luxury to drop an expensive tank early, especially if you need to save them for something bigger later in the map.

That mostly applies to blind runs though. Still, if you know a lich is on that map, then naturally you'll put ranged units down first, and that sometimes means putting the archers in the line of fire alone until you're ready to bring out the healers/tanks. AW Bashira just circumvents the need for an early melee tank.

Valid point, depends on the UP situation early on, and if you have soldiers/Valkyries/whatever to play "early melee tank" (though soldiers at least are often deployed back near the Hearts to give time for skill, block multiple paths, etc.). My theoretical talk didn't really think about early in the maps, as by the point that liches show up, you're often fine on UP (granted, some maps this isn't the case)

[Ramazan]

Everybody talking about power, damage, usefullness stuff but no harem collection. Even for that i'd get all tp units. And i wanted to add spica aw to +1, without her spirit rescue X can be a mess with just other units, dunno if your aw rita can one-shot them tho.
Well most ppl already explained the stuff, i just wanted to point a different thing.

Another thing is i dont think bernice is that easy to get, i had even better luck getting sophies but not her in 8 months of playing i just get one and even that was from a reroll account, so there is nothing wrong with OP imo. If you have memento and leanne, you dont really need more for tanking except if elvas style suits you and want to invest to her. One of our next events is a HA, offensive one but her stats are good if not like gellius or deine.