Much as I loath to make a thread about only this, but... Awakening opinions?

[buttlover]

Nah, Victoria's AW ability sucks.

AW Bashira is good for those times you need to get rid of pesky black goblin archers and the like.

It's less useful if you have to deal with lichs or other ranged bosses when there are other enemies she needs to focus on instead. Memento's maps screwed me up a bit thanks to that.

Indeed victoria is a worse version of bashira, at least bashira's SAW makes her a mini-nanaly, lucky OP doesn't have her so its moot point.
I was trying to encourage spica since he has already AW rita.

Either way MalusCorvus, just to empathize, spica is the 2nd archer I'll recommend for AW.
Belinda is the mage I'll recommend, and Iris + cuterie because its easy to AW + usefulness.
If you still lack a good HA and those AW, just go with your highest unit that can block at least 3.

[Eab1990]

I'd take Victoria's AW ability over Bashira's since those goblin archers can be tanked by way more units than liches can. Defense is easy to find, MR not so much. Sure, liches are way rarer than goblin archers and the like, but they also tend to be harder to deal with (if you don't have Sophie, Sybilla, Clissa, etc. then you often end up swapping lightning rods; black goblin archers hit hard sure, but drop a mage then Gellius/Bernice with heal support and they'll melt easily enough).

TLDR: Bernice is a common enough unit that can tank Goblin Archers (even black ones with skill) while most of the units necessary to lightning rod multiple liches are Black rarity, or at least platinum, but it all depends on team availability. Bashira's skill blows away Victoria's most of the time though, so there's that.

You shouldn't have an archer focus-firing on lichs to begin with though. Unless said archer is Nanaly. Or the lich is literally alone.

Lichs are bad for both AW Bashira and AW Victoria, it's just that Bashira is less screwed by it since she also prioritizes other enemies that can, y'know, actually hurt her and other ranged allies, thus potentially removing the need to throw down a tank to be saved for later (read: lichs again). Whereas Victoria won't target the enemy archers/cannoneers, so if a group of those show up with a lich, she's definitely screwed without a tank.

[MalusCorvus]

Well, the simplest reason for not Awakening Bernice or Spica is that I don't have them. Reason I didn't get Spica from trading post is that... 1, I had several archers already; 2, I got Saki once and regretted that for a long time (though eventually I decided it'd be better to level her than Azami), and 3, I've been using my Demon Crystals for other things. Well, largely - I'm about to reach 300, but that still means I either get Spica or 2 Awakening spirits. Although I'll probably get Spica - if I Awaken more than one unit at the same time they'll be competing for EXP fodder, and at least while I wait for fodder I can give affection gifts to Spica.

Also, I too wasn't impressed with Bashira's Awakened ability. Largely I hadn't Awakened her because I like Rita more from a character perspective, and Bashira is still pretty powerful despite being CC-70 compared to Rita's AW-75 as of this posting. Arguably I might never need to Awaken her.

[lolix]

pretty sure i was the one that told u to ignore saki for a long time and get spica first. SPica is the first unit u should ever get from TP. She is a very good unit , with a very good skill , and a very good passive.

Shes my second msot used archer after nanaly , and i have a cc70 bashira and a rita as well. She becomes even better when u have nanaly after u awaken spica for the simple fact that she gives nanaly 28% more damage per each voley , literally making her quadra shot a , penta shot. She also gives 21% more damage per voley to bashira which is also really damn good.

Also her skill is pretty nice to have if maxed.

[IvanLedah21]

You shouldn't have an archer focus-firing on lichs to begin with though. Unless said archer is Nanaly. Or the lich is literally alone.

Lichs are bad for both AW Bashira and AW Victoria, it's just that Bashira is less screwed by it since she also prioritizes other enemies that can, y'know, actually hurt her and other ranged allies, thus potentially removing the need to throw down a tank to be saved for later (read: lichs again). Whereas Victoria won't target the enemy archers/cannoneers, so if a group of those show up with a lich, she's definitely screwed without a tank.

Fair enough except... when are you EVER going to throw down ANY archer and leave her vulnerable to targeted fire? My point is killing liches quickly is generally more vital than killing enemy archers since archers are easier to tank than liches unless you have certain units like Sophie, most of whom are black rarity and therefore not commonly owned. Also, do liches have high defense? Otherwise I don't see an issue with killing them with archers (unless you have an AW VH lol). Any physical ranged unit should do as long as they're protected from attacks by tanks/lightning rods and if you're not lucky enough to have a high-quality lightning rod you're going to need to do swapping and having Victoria focus on the lich means it dies sooner, therefore fewer lightning rod swaps needed.

Also, I acknowledged in my recommendation post that TC doesn't have Bernice, the reason I brought her up is to show that there are plenty of units that can tank archers that aren't rare summons, while the units that can tank liches are much rarer and most of them are Plat or Black.


Now to be fair, I have a lot of premium units so this isn't an issue I've had to deal with, so my theoretical statements here could be inaccurate in practice. I'm talking how it looks on paper.

[Eab1990]

Fair enough except... when are you EVER going to throw down ANY archer and leave her vulnerable to targeted fire? My point is killing liches quickly is generally more vital than killing enemy archers since archers are easier to tank than liches unless you have certain units like Sophie, most of whom are black rarity and therefore not commonly owned. Also, do liches have high defense? Otherwise I don't see an issue with killing them with archers (unless you have an AW VH lol). Any physical ranged unit should do as long as they're protected from attacks by tanks/lightning rods and if you're not lucky enough to have a high-quality lightning rod you're going to need to do swapping and having Victoria focus on the lich means it dies sooner, therefore fewer lightning rod swaps needed.

Also, I acknowledged in my recommendation post that TC doesn't have Bernice, the reason I brought her up is to show that there are plenty of units that can tank archers that aren't rare summons, while the units that can tank liches are much rarer and most of them are Plat or Black.


Now to be fair, I have a lot of premium units so this isn't an issue I've had to deal with, so my theoretical statements here could be inaccurate in practice. I'm talking how it looks on paper.

A lot of G maps (maybe some X maps too) have early goblin archers, and thus you don't have the luxury to drop an expensive tank early, especially if you need to save them for something bigger later in the map.

That mostly applies to blind runs though. Still, if you know a lich is on that map, then naturally you'll put ranged units down first, and that sometimes means putting the archers in the line of fire alone until you're ready to bring out the healers/tanks. AW Bashira just circumvents the need for an early melee tank.

[buttlover]

Well, the simplest reason for not Awakening Bernice or Spica is that I don't have them. Reason I didn't get Spica from trading post is that... 1, I had several archers already; 2, I got Saki once and regretted that for a long time (though eventually I decided it'd be better to level her than Azami), and 3, I've been using my Demon Crystals for other things. Well, largely - I'm about to reach 300, but that still means I either get Spica or 2 Awakening spirits. Although I'll probably get Spica - if I Awaken more than one unit at the same time they'll be competing for EXP fodder, and at least while I wait for fodder I can give affection gifts to Spica.

Also, I too wasn't impressed with Bashira's Awakened ability. Largely I hadn't Awakened her because I like Rita more from a character perspective, and Bashira is still pretty powerful despite being CC-70 compared to Rita's AW-75 as of this posting. Arguably I might never need to Awaken her.

True, Bashira's AW priority on the AW list isn't high until the SAW(Skill AWakening) comes out. Hopefully you'll get get good HA to AW once you are done with spica. Don't forget belinda is another good AW target too, she has the same AW buff as spica except for mages.

[Unregistered]

for witches* not mages.

[lolix]

True, Bashira's AW priority on the AW list isn't high until the SAW(Skill AWakening) comes out. Hopefully you'll get get good HA to AW once you are done with spica. Don't forget belinda is another good AW target too, she has the same AW buff as spica except for mages.

except for witches you mean. Garania has that for mages

[IvanLedah21]

A lot of G maps (maybe some X maps too) have early goblin archers, and thus you don't have the luxury to drop an expensive tank early, especially if you need to save them for something bigger later in the map.

That mostly applies to blind runs though. Still, if you know a lich is on that map, then naturally you'll put ranged units down first, and that sometimes means putting the archers in the line of fire alone until you're ready to bring out the healers/tanks. AW Bashira just circumvents the need for an early melee tank.

Valid point, depends on the UP situation early on, and if you have soldiers/Valkyries/whatever to play "early melee tank" (though soldiers at least are often deployed back near the Hearts to give time for skill, block multiple paths, etc.). My theoretical talk didn't really think about early in the maps, as by the point that liches show up, you're often fine on UP (granted, some maps this isn't the case)