Originally Posted by PhalzyrD

So wasting countless gems on bad chance to get a decent girl on premium pull isn't silly, but using one gem to give me enough stamina to continue playing (and possibly get 4+ gems to replace it) is silly? I guess I could wait five hours to level before playing and thus use them more efficiently, that is true but silly? Maybe not as efficient...

Using gems to get a stamina refill is almost always silly, honestly.
It "just" speed up things a little bit, giving you more gold/manyuus/seeds/gifts... which can be farm every day, while using gems is the only way to get 5* (and 6*, but eh).
Obviously, you'll sometimes get bad draws, but you can't really say that rates are bad...

Originally Posted by PhalzyrD

However in some cases I have actually gotten gems I wouldn't have that day if I hadn't rejeuved stamina...

Except if it's for a time-limited quest, there is no need to rush (and to use gems to get a refill), as you can always try again later.

Originally Posted by PhalzyrD

I should probably save some manyus for Lavender... 23/24 medals, think I'll leave it at that...

Why are you stopping at 23 medals ?
I mean, why are you saying "no" to 2 free gems + a power-up on Lavander ?
Unless you're not powerful enough, of course, yeah.

Originally Posted by Skyleo

Using gems to get a stamina refill is almost always silly, honestly.

Agreed, you guys should seriously not be wasting gems on stam refills. The only time is for events in the future that we might have that require a lot of stamina to get the units. I haven't' looked into it but odds are were going to have events that require a lot of stamina to get the "perfect" version of girls.

Yeah, that's the point, gems used for refills are never coming back, and since gems from daily maps don't refresh, the amount we can get for free is limited and numbered (Excluding the really low chance of getting one from gathering). It means they are being used to speed up things due to impatiency. That's what seems silly unless it's reaally necessary due to events or whatsoever.

11x pull gives a 52% chance of getting a 5* or better, with a 6% being a 6* instead which is the only way to upgrade the team outside of event girls. Nonetheless, it has to be noted that going to gacha willy-nilly every time you get 50 stars is also silly. Before doing that you have to take into account what are your chances of getting non repeated 5-6* characters in case you succesfully hit the 52% upper half of the pulls, and if getting doubles is worth it or not. For example, now that there is people with 2 or even 3 5* girls, doing gatcha again has only, roughly a 30% or worse chance to bring something new to the table, so in those cases, sitting on gems until new girls are released might be a better option. Specially if they are still leveling/evolving their 4* and up.

Btw, yeah, if you can, go for the 24/24, i did it al level 30ish with 32K and 20-25K teams and a really nice helper team, so it's not too hard once you find good helpers and rng doesn't troll you with the panels.

It depends on how you're approaching the game. If you don't particularly care about getting a certain 5 or 6 star girl, there's no reason to roll the premium gacha when a team of guaranteed 5 stars, upgraded 3-4 stars, and event girls can clear all the content. Using stamina refills intelligently isn't about being impatient, it's about giving you a power spike earlier on so that you can spend more time at a stronger level, farming higher-end content sooner, which builds on itself. It's also useful to quickly get to the stage where you can leave/sleep without your stamina filling up so none is wasted. Once you reach a comfortable state, you can just sit on gems until an event or if they release a good deal in the gacha.

Originally Posted by kojaku

11x pull gives a 52% chance of getting a 5* or better, with a 6% being a 6* instead

That's not how math works.

Originally Posted by makinaz

That's not how math works.

Those actually are the odds:

Chances of getting at least one 5 or 6 star in 11 pulls:
1 - (1 - .005 - .06) ^ 11 = .52 or 52%

Chances of getting at least one 6 star in 11 pulls:
1 - (1 - .005) ^ 11 = .054 or 5.4%

Originally Posted by makinaz

That's not how math works.

Not this shit again.

Yes, it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_distribution

Though I'm not sure where 52% comes from. Unless I'm missing something, the formula for one 5* in 11 rolls is 11 * .06 * (.94)^10 = ~0.3555 or 35.55%.

6* is about right though. It's 11 * .005 * (.995)^10 = ~0.0523 or 5.23%.

Edit: Oh, we're using different formulas. My formula is the %age of getting EXACTLY one 5* or 6*. The other formula is getting AT LEAST one 5* or 6*.

Actually thought that the given percentages were for the entire draw, not for each girl, urg.

Originally Posted by Skyleo

Using gems to get a stamina refill is almost always silly, honestly.
It "just" speed up things a little bit, giving you more gold/manyuus/seeds/gifts... which can be farm every day, while using gems is the only way to get 5* (and 6*, but eh).
Obviously, you'll sometimes get bad draws, but you can't really say that rates are bad...

I wasn't saying they were, you did and I was responding with that in mind. I see what your saying now that I'm much higher level/power. I also mistakenly thought the daily reset each day. Not at a week in yet, so didn't realize they didn't... I have enough girls to attend to right now without my next 50 pull so will probably hold now for awhile save for events.

Originally Posted by Skyleo

Why are you stopping at 23 medals ?
I mean, why are you saying "no" to 2 free gems + a power-up on Lavander ?
Unless you're not powerful enough, of course, yeah.

I can make it through with most of my chars when I posted that now they should be able to breeze through it, but the last level was a bit too RNG, not sure how many tries it'll take to get through it. I might give it another few goes. .... (EDIT) and three tries later my main unit finally passed both rotating arrows to get the boss I always miss... so 24 medals yay

Ok a lot of people have been saying 2-1 to farm for SG 12 but i will give another suggestion run 1-3.

Now there is obviusly the question about "why this crappy stage?" Well... that pretty simple because even if you are more efficient with 5-4 or 2-1 1-3 just gives you a little efficiency in gold exp and whatnot, while 5-4 uses 2 much stamina to actualy farm a lot of manyus which you need and the 2-1 is a little more efficient while consuming 3 more stamina each run.

Well everything is up to you if you want to have more efficiency i suggest running 5-4 but if your only interested in manyus farm 1-3 or 2-1. In every case you will need double the exp you get from the maps if you want to level after 40 so before that you can just farm leisurely everyone of those maps.