Originally Posted by Nydaomond

Exceptions might exist, though; for instance, say, having a weaker Toad Lily in your Helper can be more helpful in a lot of maps (yes, 12-5, i'm thinking of you) than having an higher-power Knight in her place, even if the overall Power ends up lower. This depends on the girls you have, though. Also, barring the current event, it's nice to have 500+ Speed Helpers, imo.

AH my helper squad is 452 speed do to the slow evolved 3* (she's more powerful than others due to equip) I should work on that next, I will be evolving another 4* soon once I get her affection up higher. Too many want bears...

Don't have toad lily or web avoid girl either...

Originally Posted by Nydaomond

I know it works for your own Squads, I said i think it doesn't show for your Allies' Helper Squads (although it's counted in the player total power, oddly enough) xD

Equipment is easy to test: put a single 2* or 3* with 4 equip slot in a team (alone). Give her random equipment. Remove all equipment. Power doesn't change. Hence, Equipment isn't factored into Squad Power.

I understood what you meant , I know equipment doesn't that why I mentioned taking it into account over power level... Someone that has all 4 slots open can be much more powerful than they look. Even power level wise without equipment counted my evolved 3* is stronger than un-evolved 5* Didn't think about speed when I evolved her, seems all my evolved but one is slow lol

I have another 5* also red so not even using her yet, as way to many other reds needing resources. Though she is faster unit hmmm.

Was just mentioning Toad Lily as an easy example (i don't have her either T^T), but 452 Speed shouldn't be too bad until you can level up some faster unit.
However, do try to max your 5*'s affection and level/evolve her before other lower-rarity Slice-type knights - the difference in stats, affection bonus, battle skills, and abilities with lower-rarity girls is usually pretty huge, even if they can use less Equip. Besides, even if i don't know what 5* you have, both Slice 5* are really good units~

Originally Posted by Nydaomond

However, do try to max your 5*'s affection and level/evolve her before other lower-rarity Slice-type knights - the difference in stats, affection bonus, battle skills, and abilities with lower-rarity girls is usually pretty huge, even if they can use less Equip. Besides, even if i don't know what 5* you have, both Slice 5* are really good units~

Yes Two of my 5*s are evolved and maxed affection third I just got and affection should be easy to max as she isn't a bear favorite... Camellia. I already have dragons for two other girls no red dragons... but next red bloom run . I have Orchard at level 44 evolved, was wanting to get her up above 50 but think I will focus on Camellia until she is evovled. Then when I get Edelweiss focus on her

Also, remember that "total power" is not everything :

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Here, you can see that my Violet is "only" my 4th unit... But that's only cuz' the other girls have more HP than her (while she has a huge Atk/Def)


And yeah, if you have toad lily, take her on your helper squad, even if she's low lvl

Yeah I understand power isn't everything. Just realized I evolved Hibiscus and she has better stats than my 3* evovled so swapped her out and speed went up nicely

I'd also add that I'm currently prioritizing slice/pierce units on my helper squad if I can, since they're the most useful for helping people farm 12-5, and for the other maps, any strong helper squad works fine (besides weird speed requirements for 3 medals).

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I'm even considering switching in Yulan for Lavender, but the 3k power difference and Lavender being skill level 5/4 equip slots (Yulan is only skill level 3/3 equip slots) makes me hesitate. It's probably worth it though, for the slice damage type bonus and the ~80 speed I'd get.

Also, ampies seem to be counted for my own power numbers since they just add to the characters stats (like affection), but I'm not sure if they're counted when allies see helper squads. It's really annoying that equipment doesn't show on power though, since it makes it hard to gauge actual strength. My Canola is +1247 ATK, +564 DEF from her equips alone, making her a lot stronger than the power numbers show. Are we sure equipment carries over to helper squads? It would change a lot for me if it didn't.

Originally Posted by Skyleo

Here, you can see that my Violet is "only" my 4th unit... But that's only cuz' the other girls have more HP than her (while she has a huge Atk/Def)

I'm starting to prefer high HP as the best stat to have, since it's the only one we can't increase with equipment and gives staying power over multiple fights. I noticed my Violetta Tulip dying first very often when I had her in my squad, despite her having around 700-800 more defense than characters like my St. Paulia, because that defense just couldn't make up for having 3k less HP.

EDIT: OK yeah, this looks much better

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It already hurt bringing along Bipina with her 215 speed and Paulia with 345, throwing in Lavender just made my squad move like a snail (thankfully somewhat saved by Orchid). Hopefully my allies won't care about slightly less power in exchange for movespeed and another slice unit.

Originally Posted by Lied

Also, ampies seem to be counted for my own power numbers since they just add to the characters stats (like affection), but I'm not sure if they're counted when allies see helper squads. It's really annoying that equipment doesn't show on power though, since it makes it hard to gauge actual strength. My Canola is +1247 ATK, +564 DEF from her equips alone, making her a lot stronger than the power numbers show. Are we sure equipment carries over to helper squads? It would change a lot for me if it didn't.

Kind of hard to confirm, but since there are Helpers which seem to perform a lot better than they should, even assuming Affection, i'd think Equip is carried over by Helpers. About Ampy's: not the slightest clue whether they're counted in or not >.<

Also, yeah, totally agreed on the HP. Feeling that with Cepha myself - having low HP makes her feel way too squishy, regardless of DEF =/

Originally Posted by Lied

EDIT: OK yeah, this looks much better

You have a nice team, mine is still far to that Power.
But I would change the order or your Knights: first AoE users (Bipina and Yulan) then the HP Stealer (Orchid) and at the end the single target strikers (St Paulia and Canola).

Mine is only 80k Power for now (Level 71):

Why i cant finish second phase in 80 stamina, in Urgent Mission. When in end then it goes error and reset page, but u lost all stamina still

Originally Posted by Lied

Are we sure equipment carries over to helper squads? It would change a lot for me if it didn't.

I've got confirmation that the equipement affect helper squad.

This is a test using Yuki Yanagi and Heliconia as a helper squad:
When used by an ally,
Lv1 Yuki (450 ATK) does ~200 damage,
Lv1 Heliconia (440 ATK) with a ring+10 LvMax (+1507 ATK) does ~700 damage.