Also, remember that "total power" is not everything :

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Here, you can see that my Violet is "only" my 4th unit... But that's only cuz' the other girls have more HP than her (while she has a huge Atk/Def)


And yeah, if you have toad lily, take her on your helper squad, even if she's low lvl

Yeah I understand power isn't everything. Just realized I evolved Hibiscus and she has better stats than my 3* evovled so swapped her out and speed went up nicely

I'd also add that I'm currently prioritizing slice/pierce units on my helper squad if I can, since they're the most useful for helping people farm 12-5, and for the other maps, any strong helper squad works fine (besides weird speed requirements for 3 medals).

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I'm even considering switching in Yulan for Lavender, but the 3k power difference and Lavender being skill level 5/4 equip slots (Yulan is only skill level 3/3 equip slots) makes me hesitate. It's probably worth it though, for the slice damage type bonus and the ~80 speed I'd get.

Also, ampies seem to be counted for my own power numbers since they just add to the characters stats (like affection), but I'm not sure if they're counted when allies see helper squads. It's really annoying that equipment doesn't show on power though, since it makes it hard to gauge actual strength. My Canola is +1247 ATK, +564 DEF from her equips alone, making her a lot stronger than the power numbers show. Are we sure equipment carries over to helper squads? It would change a lot for me if it didn't.

Originally Posted by Skyleo

Here, you can see that my Violet is "only" my 4th unit... But that's only cuz' the other girls have more HP than her (while she has a huge Atk/Def)

I'm starting to prefer high HP as the best stat to have, since it's the only one we can't increase with equipment and gives staying power over multiple fights. I noticed my Violetta Tulip dying first very often when I had her in my squad, despite her having around 700-800 more defense than characters like my St. Paulia, because that defense just couldn't make up for having 3k less HP.

EDIT: OK yeah, this looks much better

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It already hurt bringing along Bipina with her 215 speed and Paulia with 345, throwing in Lavender just made my squad move like a snail (thankfully somewhat saved by Orchid). Hopefully my allies won't care about slightly less power in exchange for movespeed and another slice unit.

Originally Posted by Lied

Also, ampies seem to be counted for my own power numbers since they just add to the characters stats (like affection), but I'm not sure if they're counted when allies see helper squads. It's really annoying that equipment doesn't show on power though, since it makes it hard to gauge actual strength. My Canola is +1247 ATK, +564 DEF from her equips alone, making her a lot stronger than the power numbers show. Are we sure equipment carries over to helper squads? It would change a lot for me if it didn't.

Kind of hard to confirm, but since there are Helpers which seem to perform a lot better than they should, even assuming Affection, i'd think Equip is carried over by Helpers. About Ampy's: not the slightest clue whether they're counted in or not >.<

Also, yeah, totally agreed on the HP. Feeling that with Cepha myself - having low HP makes her feel way too squishy, regardless of DEF =/

Originally Posted by Lied

EDIT: OK yeah, this looks much better

You have a nice team, mine is still far to that Power.
But I would change the order or your Knights: first AoE users (Bipina and Yulan) then the HP Stealer (Orchid) and at the end the single target strikers (St Paulia and Canola).

Mine is only 80k Power for now (Level 71):

Originally Posted by Zenithale

You have a nice team, mine is still far to that Power.
But I would change the order or your Knights: first AoE users (Bipina and Yulan) then the HP Stealer (Orchid) and at the end the single target strikers (St Paulia and Canola).

For most of my teams I use that order (AoE, HP Steal, Single Target, Multi-Hit (like triple drill or double thrust)), but I keep Canola in front because she's my hardest hitter with over 6k ATK and I want to make sure all of her damage gets used. If my AoE users don't use their skills and use single hit attacks, it sometimes results in damage being wasted if Canola needs to finish off a weakened enemy. If she's first, she always gets a full damage hit in, and then either the AoE goes off and everything dies anyway, or it doesn't go off and they use their weaker attacks to finish people off. Example of something I kept seeing which is why I switched:

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2 enemies, A and B

AoE units first:

Bipina hits A
Yulan hits A (A is low)
Canola hits A (A dies)
or
Bipna uses AoE
Yulan hits A (A is low)
Canola hits A (A dies)

Canola first:

Canola hits A (A is low)
Bipina hits A (A dies)
Yulan hits B
or
Canola hits A (A is low)
Bipna uses AoE (A dies)
Yulan hits B

Basically, it helps in the cases where the AoE doesn't trigger, and if the AoE does trigger everything is usually dying anyway. For my other teams none of the units are that much stronger than the other so I just use a normal order since there's less of an overkill problem.

Originally Posted by Zenithale

Mine is only 80k Power for now (Level 71):

I'd probably put Marigold last in that squad, since triple drill can hit different enemies and can finish off a weakened enemy and then do damage to another one (less wasted damage).

OK, I understand your point of view.
I like to use AoE and Marigold Skill first to kill the low-HP enemies before my single target strikers hit the other(s). Most of the time my battles last ~3 rounds, I am sure I would use a different order if they would last less or more. Hard to say which order is better, in fact what I have learned for the past weeks of play is that RNG rules the Maps as well as the Battles, so I/we should not bother my/our-self too much with that. But I liked your input, so I will try different orders.

Yeah at the end of the day, unit order either doesn't really matter or is just playing the odds. I guess I should add that most of the way I have things set up is for farming 12-5, where there are those nodes with the small pest (sometimes pierce-weak) along with the slice-weak boss. I kept getting into situations similar to my example, so I switched and found it worked better for me.

Why i cant finish second phase in 80 stamina, in Urgent Mission. When in end then it goes error and reset page, but u lost all stamina still

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why i cant finish second phase in 80 stamina, in Urgent Mission. When in end then it goes error and reset page, but u lost all stamina still

I like how you dug up a really really old thread to ask a question that's being discussed in the current event thread. :3