Originally Posted by Astasia

Gradual increases in power is what allows one to progress in the game though. Also the cost increases only about 70 gold per level for non-evolved girls and 100 for evolved, so the difference in upgrading with 5-10 manyus compared to doing them 1-2 at a time is only a few hundred gold. It's honestly not worth thinking about IMO.

Yeah, it's not disastrous if you don't do a full 10 every time. If you need the power right now to clear an event map then it's absolutely worth spending a little extra gold to get that 3 medal clear or whatever. On the other hand if you're just farming 2-1 then there's no reason not to wait for 10, since powering up your girls is not going to make 2-1 any easier than it already is.

In general it's important to remember that efficient leveling is only a matter of saving gold (you get the same amount of exp either way) and while gold is useful, it's easier to farm more gold than it is to get many other things (event girls, flower gems, gold dragons, etc). So if you're in need of power right now to clear or farm a map before it expires and you only have like 5 manyus then don't hesitate to use them. You don't want to spend a bunch of stamina trying to get 10 to save some gold, and then not have enough stamina to spend on the event/whatever map.

Originally Posted by Astasia

Gradual increases in power is what allows one to progress in the game though. Also the cost increases only about 70 gold per level for non-evolved girls and 100 for evolved, so the difference in upgrading with 5-10 manyus compared to doing them 1-2 at a time is only a few hundred gold. It's honestly not worth thinking about IMO.

No, the gradual increase in your power is negligible on event maps. Don't believe me? Look at the stam costs in the maps and the fact that there are only 4 available maps per phase. An increase in 5% performance will not allow you to progress from a 50 stam map to an 80 stam map. If you were struggling on the 50, then you may as well give up on clearing the 80 with just slight improvements. It's better to just grind out the story maps and build up your team efficiently and forego the current event, and possibly even the event after that.

What's the point of scraping and struggling to get a 1 slot/skill 1 5★ when a fully evolved, 100% affection, 2 slot/2 skill 4★ would be far better? This is the mindset of people thinking somehow that certain units are better on a moonshot pull or a lame event reward, when they have potential money winners already in their inventory or within their grasp. Again, many of you are overvaluing 5★ and 6★ girls, citing statistics, and ignoring the myriads of variables that make it impossible for the normal player to obtain. Nutaku feeds into this narrative, actively encouraging this kind of rhetoric, as it encourages whales and people spending real money.

The fact of the matter is that the game (most games) can be played for free and without the need for all of these high level girls. The one exception I've encountered is in the realm of ranking and PvP (games like Valkyrie Crusade, School Girl Strikers, Rage of Bahamut, etc.), where having all the best of the best, minute differences in power and performance, all of this can change the rewards you earn. Games like FKG, however, are simply and purely single player focused, and are casual in nature.

You can beat the game without killing yourself over obtaining all the 5★ and 6★ girls. If you can get them with some luck on the available pulls, then more power to you. But people need to get out of the mindset that the only way you can clear events and have fun is through having 4 teams of rainbow girls.

Originally Posted by Discoceris

What's the point of scraping and struggling to get a 1 slot/skill 1 5★ when a fully evolved, 100% affection, 2 slot/2 skill 4★ would be far better?

Because you have a chance to get the 4* girl any time for as long as the game is running...but the 5* event girls are here now, gone in two weeks, and won't return until much, much later*. It's not what any particular girl can do for you, this is a collection game and with the difficulty of the game we've seen so far the utility of each of them is largely a secondary concern.

Plus, you aren't really giving up too much about that 4* girl to get the 5* girl, so why not get them both?

(*Eventual return is still unconfirmed for Nutaku version)

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Originally Posted by Discoceris

What's the point of scraping and struggling to get a 1 slot/skill 1 5★ when a fully evolved, 100% affection, 2 slot/2 skill 4★ would be far better?

Because you have a chance to get the 4* girl any time for as long as the game is running...but the 5* event girls are here now, gone in two weeks, and won't return until much, much later*. It's not what any particular girl can do for you, this is a collection game and with the difficulty of the game we've seen so far the utility of each of them is largely a secondary concern.

Plus, you aren't really giving up too much about that 4* girl to get the 5* girl, so why not get them both?

(*Eventual return is still unconfirmed for Nutaku version)

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Originally Posted by Discoceris

No, the gradual increase in your power is negligible on event maps. Don't believe me? Look at the stam costs in the maps and the fact that there are only 4 available maps per phase. An increase in 5% performance will not allow you to progress from a 50 stam map to an 80 stam map. If you were struggling on the 50, then you may as well give up on clearing the 80 with just slight improvements. It's better to just grind out the story maps and build up your team efficiently and forego the current event, and possibly even the event after that.

What's the point of scraping and struggling to get a 1 slot/skill 1 5★ when a fully evolved, 100% affection, 2 slot/2 skill 4★ would be far better? This is the mindset of people thinking somehow that certain units are better on a moonshot pull or a lame event reward, when they have potential money winners already in their inventory or within their grasp. Again, many of you are overvaluing 5★ and 6★ girls, citing statistics, and ignoring the myriads of variables that make it impossible for the normal player to obtain. Nutaku feeds into this narrative, actively encouraging this kind of rhetoric, as it encourages whales and people spending real money.

The fact of the matter is that the game (most games) can be played for free and without the need for all of these high level girls. The one exception I've encountered is in the realm of ranking and PvP (games like Valkyrie Crusade, School Girl Strikers, Rage of Bahamut, etc.), where having all the best of the best, minute differences in power and performance, all of this can change the rewards you earn. Games like FKG, however, are simply and purely single player focused, and are casual in nature.

You can beat the game without killing yourself over obtaining all the 5★ and 6★ girls. If you can get them with some luck on the available pulls, then more power to you. But people need to get out of the mindset that the only way you can clear events and have fun is through having 4 teams of rainbow girls.

I don't get your point, it's not hard to get an event girl and level your silvers at the same time. I've only been playing since Star Lily and I have 6 evolved silvers, 3 evolved golds, 3 golds ready to evolve with perfect Star Lily, perfect Lech and 18 medal Geranium, and I'm pretty sure I'm on the slower side since I wasn't farming efficiently for half that time. I guess I got lucky starting with 2 collection event in a row before having to do a medal event, but a medal event requires even less work since your limits are clearly defined, there's no "scraping and struggling" involved.

In the first place nobody is saying anything about silvers being trash, the guy was just saying the gold loss from using a few manyus at a time is negligible. I agree that silvers are super great workhorses but there's no reason to not participate in an event that gives out a free 5* which just have plain better stats, skill proc rates, and passives. I would argue why you would have an evolved 100% affection silver when you can have an evolved 100% affection gold?

Also, waifus. Not just any waifus, LIMITED EDITION WAIFUS.

YES, LIMITED EDITION WAIFUS!!! GET THEM WHILE THEY'RE HOT!!!

On a serious note, Discoceris, I think you are overestimating the "scraping and struggling" idea. As you said, a lot of event maps, you either are going to clear them with your current team or you're not. If you give it a shot and get wrecked, banging your head against the wall is obviously futile, so go farm, level and come back a week later. Since events run every 2 weeks, no point wasting stamina on failed runs when you can take a week to power up and come back and get a respectable 2 slot, 3 skill event unit. There is very rarely a point where a few extra levels from a few hours of farming is going to let you clear a map you failed, so taking a couple days to level up and then come back for revenge is much more preferable.

So basically, your argument has merit IF AND ONLY IF you're addressing players who think a couple levels will make or break their ability to clear event map X, and I at least HOPE most players aren't silly enough to think one great hour of leveling will let them clear a map they just got wrecked on.

Originally Posted by wfwfwf

Can i have some tip on which mission/stage are the best to farm gold / gacha seeds?

just started playing this game not long ago and i always find myself having difficulty to upgrade my character due to insufficient gold

If you are doing levelling farming, kindly refer to this thread - it has a good advices on this matter.
While you are at it, you might also want to look at Beginner's Tips and Another Tips for some, well, tips.) While game's help section (below the main window) does offer a good run-down on the mechanics (do read it if you still didn't), your fellow players' wisdom is also invaluable.

(side note We REALLY need to have these threads pinned...)


Also, always, and I mean A.L.W.A.Y.S use 10x fodders in your feeding sessions (with only exception being the last supper - only use as many fodder as you need to hit max level there, of course). As Tenhou-sama once wrote, costs rise with your base unit's levels, so make sure to feed as much experience as you can at as low level as you can. And you also want to graduate to more nourishing manyuus at higher levels as you go, to yet again cut down the expenses. While raising your girls on a strict lv.100 manyuu diet might be cheapest, said manyuus are also quite rare, especially when you just starting up, and so best saved up for final stretch.
General consensus seems to be lv.5 manyuus to level 30-35, then lv.20 manyuus to level 45-50, then lv.100 manyuus to the top. You may start with the meal consisting of 2* girls to level 12-15 if you fancy that, as well...