I think that list only consider the stats.

Originally Posted by fate

I think that list only consider the stats.

Stats and possibly passives. But ultimately, the passives are more or less useful depending on what other units you have. Rainbows are OP in general, but for maximum benefit you'd want skill synergy. Also, if you use auto-run + afk, then units like Dogwood lose a ton of value because their passives focus on Solar Blast.

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

Stats and possibly passives. But ultimately, the passives are more or less useful depending on what other units you have. Rainbows are OP in general, but for maximum benefit you'd want skill synergy. Also, if you use auto-run + afk, then units like Dogwood lose a ton of value because their passives focus on Solar Blast.

Very true, I've used some squads from the bottom of the helper list which featured 4-5 lvl 70 rainbows, but weren't really notable in performance.

As a simple (and should be pretty obvious) example, Fritillaria by herserf can barely hold a candle to Black Baccara as a rainbow. However, in a squad with a couple of Activation Rate boosters she really takes off. Doesn't really matter if those boosters are rainbow or gold, but she's performs more like a weak gold card when put in the wrong squad.

Originally Posted by Drip

Very true, I've used some squads from the bottom of the helper list which featured 4-5 lvl 70 rainbows, but weren't really notable in performance.

As a simple (and should be pretty obvious) example, Fritillaria by herserf can barely hold a candle to Black Baccara as a rainbow. However, in a squad with a couple of Activation Rate boosters she really takes off. Doesn't really matter if those boosters are rainbow or gold, but she's performs more like a weak gold card when put in the wrong squad.

This is why all of my Helper Squad members boost the squad's stats (4/5 boost Attack, 2/5 boost Defense) and FP is going to be swapped for Dianthus (less speed is made up for by a 3rd AoE skill + heal from pest node). Anemone is the only one who doesn't boost attack but she has received 99% of my ampys, her counter ability is nasty and her Skill coming after 3 AoE skills is good stuff ^.^

Buffing the already high stats of the rainbows, plus 3 Hit-All skills and a Hit Random x3, plus Dianthus' heal, Anemone's counter, Alpinia's self-heal... UBER NASTY SQUAD FTW!!!

Only calla is left to level up, not sure if the arrangement of characters is balanced though (probably doesn't really matter for now)

@Haku You would get more value out of having Tachibana, Moonvine and Star Lily in the same team... that 2.4x skill activation round 3 with +15% atk for 2 is so powerful. They also have the defence to last that long in most fights.

We're actually in the middle of figuring out how skill activation rates are working. As a general consensus, we can't agree if the Cyrtanthus/Geranium/Justicia affection based skills stack additively, but are leaning on the possibility that the Moonvine/Tachibana 3rd-turn versions do.

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

Can we actually be sure without stacking to a theoretical 100% (if it's A+B) or stacking to at least 50% and running a hundred battles? Or does it show on the in-battle text?

Also, it MIGHT be 3rd turn Activation + is A+B while 1st turn is A*B due to the fact you're taking hits the first two rounds. IDK, some testing would be required.

As for the affection based, IDK if that works differently.

I just got the triple-combo, so I'll be able to test that on Sunday/Monday, when I can evolve Justicia to obtain her Skill Rate ability.