[Merry Christmas] 5+ Star Gacha Ticket Plus Thread

[smr]

People have different opinions on the matter of what pay to win and gacha games are, attacking others that have different opinions on the subject matter accomplishes nothing.

[Eab1990]

I didn't ignore it. You used it as an example but said there was an exception for whales. Why does it get an exception? Because it literally contradicts everything? Because you needed a reason to prove it isn't F2P when content isn't completely doable by everyone?

I haven't played the game so I can only go base off by what you said.

Majin maps are specifically geared towards whales, but that doesn't mean free players are barred from it, nor are they missing out on anything by not doing it. They were made to present a challenge for those people, but believe it or not, people have cleared them with free event units as well.

The nature of F2P is different in Aigis though, due to the vast number of free units they get, thus forcing people to divide their resources, and even veterans don't know which unit might be useful later on, or which units might get buffed/nerfed. Plus the RNG involved in actually getting some of them, AND the RNG in actually improving them (reducing their cost, increasing their skill level). And a whole bunch of other things that can fuck with how a map plays out.

They're called guides because they serve as a base for how to clear a map, not exactly because they're to be followed to the second (though they certainly can be). Regardless, to my knowledge, there hasn't been a map that is completely impossible for free players, just that said subset of free players might not have the resources available just because there are so many damn units to keep track of.

And yet again, there isn't a form of competition to be had here. Paying only benefits oneself in the ease of actually clearing maps, and even then, paying players are subject to the same amount of grinding that free players do. Beyond that, it's another waifu collecting game like FKG.

People have different opinions on the matter of what pay to win and gacha games are, attacking others that have different opinions on the subject matter accomplishes nothing.

If it was just about "advantages" being overblown, I could at least agree to disagree, but actually going so far as to claim it's P2W is outright false. There are real P2W games that comparing to FKG would be insulting to do so, and Aidoru doesn't seem to be able to take the hint because fuck logic.

Even Aigis benefits paying players a TON more than FKG treats its players, including blessings that outright provide temporary flat buffs to their units, or simply using recharges to cover for any mistakes or fill in the gaps of particularly demanding events. And yet it still isn't P2W for the reasons I listed.

[Aidoru]

It's not fuck logic, it's simply obvious that your definition of P2W is different from mines and several others who have posted. The only difference is I bothered to actually reply. And I've already gone over different values of P2W games, just because one has less P2W content than another game doesn't make it something else.

[Eab1990]

Implying I'm the weird one and not you, even though several people even jokingly responded that it's not P2W on the similar basis that there's nothing "to win".

I'm just the only one bored enough to call you out on your bullshit.

You and smr are also weird for apparently not having heard of the term "pay to waifu" before.

[nazrin992]

I thought pay to waifu is just a wordplay to pay to win

[Eab1990]

It can be both, but seeing as FKG isn't like your average kMMO or whatever, and rainbows being the equivalent of "stupidly OP broken equipment" doesn't mean anything in the context of a non-PVP game, the term P2W as it's normally used holds no water here.

Which I've been trying to explain for the past five pages, to no avail.

[Aidoru]

I've only started playing Nutaku games about 2 months ago, as mentioned before. Before that, the only game I knew of was KaneColle, which I was never interested enough to play. I have no plans on ever using the discord chats.

And in the end, the problem is mostly because I don't intake the phrase the same way as you. You seem to take it in a literal sense, especially the "win" part. For me, win isn't just some kind of competition in some PvP themed game or some leader board , it's moving far ahead of other players, being able to reach the end game and often with a lot less effort because you can't win MMOs in the first place and yet many are P2W. It's not so much about winning but all the advantages one gets over the other, yes I will keep using this word, that paying players have. I won't bother to type out the rest, you can go read the rest of all the previous pages.

[Rupturez]

Seems there has been a lot of shitstorm in this thread while I was sleep.

I'll just throw in my two cents.

-While I understand your sentiment of saying that this game is p2w because Nutaku fking gem starves their free players so incredibly bad to the point we are blowing 700 stamina on a reissue just to get 1 gem, no this game is not pay to win. There is nothing to win.

-Someone stated that the people unhappy with this ticket are ungrateful and spoiled and wish for this to never happen again. Well you're right. I would have rather that this shit did not happen, and I am spoiled and ungrateful. First thing I notice though is that all these players saying this got either a new gold or rainbow while claiming "a dupe gold would have been good as well." Well nice fucking saint shit going there, but I'm not like that. If it was a guaranteed 5* for everyone or 6* for everyone, I would be thrilled. I would be glad to recieve a christmas present like that even if I pull a dupe out of it. But if you make an unleveled playing field in such a simple thing as a christmas present, how can I possibly be thrilled? You can't even begin to imagine what RNG luck I've dealt with in this game since release and now I get even MORE rng in my present.

[Eab1990]

And in the end, the problem is mostly because I don't intake the phrase the same way as you. You seem to take it in a literal sense, especially the "win" part. For me, win isn't just some kind of competition in some PvP themed game or some leader board , it's moving far ahead of other players, being able to reach the end game and often with a lot less effort because you can't win MMOs in the first place and yet many are P2W.

Ignoring how wrong this sentiment is, what MMOs have you been playing for it to not have a win condition that P2W can't capitalize on? Maybe the purely cosmetic ones like TERA wouldn't count, but just about anything else with a PVP aspect has some form of gacha and/or P2W system that completely invalidates your statement. Of course there's P2W when a paying player can completely outclass a free player in direct competition, regardless of skill.

But like Rupturez and everyone else here says, there is no direct competition, no race to win in FKG.

Seems there has been a lot of shitstorm in this thread while I was sleep.

I'll just throw in my two cents.

-While I understand your sentiment of saying that this game is p2w because Nutaku fking gem starves their free players so incredibly bad to the point we are blowing 700 stamina on a reissue just to get 1 gem, no this game is not pay to win. There is nothing to win.

-Someone stated that the people unhappy with this ticket are ungrateful and spoiled and wish for this to never happen again. Well you're right. I would have rather that this shit did not happen, and I am spoiled and ungrateful. First thing I notice though is that all these players saying this got either a new gold or rainbow while claiming "a dupe gold would have been good as well." Well nice fucking saint shit going there, but I'm not like that. If it was a guaranteed 5* for everyone or 6* for everyone, I would be thrilled. I would be glad to recieve a christmas present like that even if I pull a dupe out of it. But if you make an unleveled playing field in such a simple thing as a christmas present, how can I possibly be thrilled? You can't even begin to imagine what RNG luck I've dealt with in this game since release and now I get even MORE rng in my present.

Gem starving is what Aigis does, really. Well, crystal starving. But Nutaku FKG, while not ideal, does at least give out enough FGs for an 11-roll every 1.5 months on average. That's not the terrible part. Getting nothing but bronze/silver after that 1.5 month wait is what's terrible. But it's still better than Aigis giving out 2-4 rolls' worth of SCs a month on average, and contending with that 50% silver rate there as well. And again, it's paid off to have an FG stockpile for those guaranteed gold deals, or the Bridal Oncidium deal.

Aye, I said that you people were ungrateful. But at least you admit it. Hell, I should be pissed about my roll as well, seeing as I got the same rainbow I paid for, TWICE (Sakura). But I'm not, because I already got lucky with my 11-roll earlier, and I could've done worse than a dupe rainbow of a girl I like. And I can at least be happy for anyone else who lucked out with a rainbow they like.

Unless it's Daisy. Daisy belongs to me, dammit.

[Drip]

Seems there has been a lot of shitstorm in this thread while I was sleep.

I'll just throw in my two cents.

-While I understand your sentiment of saying that this game is p2w because Nutaku fking gem starves their free players so incredibly bad to the point we are blowing 700 stamina on a reissue just to get 1 gem, no this game is not pay to win. There is nothing to win.

-Someone stated that the people unhappy with this ticket are ungrateful and spoiled and wish for this to never happen again. Well you're right. I would have rather that this shit did not happen, and I am spoiled and ungrateful. First thing I notice though is that all these players saying this got either a new gold or rainbow while claiming "a dupe gold would have been good as well." Well nice fucking saint shit going there, but I'm not like that. If it was a guaranteed 5* for everyone or 6* for everyone, I would be thrilled. I would be glad to recieve a christmas present like that even if I pull a dupe out of it. But if you make an unleveled playing field in such a simple thing as a christmas present, how can I possibly be thrilled? You can't even begin to imagine what RNG luck I've dealt with in this game since release and now I get even MORE rng in my present.

More or less my sentiment as well. There's no "Win" in FKG, so the correct term would be "Pay to Get Ahead", not Pay to Win. But Pay to Waifu is a fun term as well for these kind of games.
And Nutaku should perhaps consider making future presents less RNG, so people feel less "treated unequal". Doesn't matter if a present is a 6*, a 5* or even a 3*. Possibly even just give everybody the exact same girl, to prevent the "Bwahhhh, I got a dupe while he pulled a new gold" complaints that would no doubt come up.

But, in the end, the 5*+ ticket was still a free gift, which gave about everybody who used it a benefit, no matter how small.