Her design is slightly odd, not exactly my preference, though the huge snowball is funny. However, she is extremely powerful (upto 20% ATK buff as a passive) and useful (because she ignores webs). Most hit-type girls are a bit dull in their abilities, or simply feel incomplete (Cherry evolved not buffing the whole team and only against raidbosses) but Christmas Rose, Pumpkin, Cymbidium and Edelweiss really stand out as well-rounded in their abilities.
This January, I did a solo gacha and got 6* Peach Blossom. The next day, I did another solo gacha and got 6* Black Baccara. I was so happy since my 5+* ticket this december was only a 5* gardenia (she's new to me though).
Warning: Wall of text!
So after playing for about 3 months, I guess I don't particularly get this game. Basically I am the kind of player that over analyzes everything and tries to build the best "team" from the best "units", as it were. So I've looked at Flower Knight unit charts and such and for the life of me, I just don't get the stars.
So when I auto sort Set 1 (Total Power) and Set 2 (ATK high to low) I get 4 teams of knights which are about 90% are the same girls but there are some differences and I don’t get it. Being a typical noob I had a 2 star (Bianca Clover) that I maxed affection on and she’s level 37-ish and she shows up in my 4th Team in Set 2 sitting next to 2 five stars at about 50% affection and mid 40’s…so how is this possible?? How is the system sorting things in such a way that to me, these “lowly” mid lvl 30-ish 2 and 3 star girls are being placed ahead of the 4 and 5 star knights I have?
What is power…and no I don’t mean that philosophically…lol…what’s it based on? I can see 3 things – Actual stats, equipment bonus, and affection bonus. So if I have Knight A with say 1200 ATK with a 100 Affection Bonus and a +600 ring…so…to me…she has 1,900 “power” but what is the system calling her “power”? And why is she “ranked” higher in the sort list than say Knight B who has 1100 ATK, a nice lvl 35 ring +1050, and say a 250 affection bonus (to me she’s at 2,400) she’s considered “less powerful” than girl A because her ATK is lower.
I guess it’s an end game thing that I am not seeing yet because I basically field teams that are mostly 4 and 5 stars with 2 6’s (yes both bought on sale - Cactus thru the developer promo and Alpina thru the 50/50 thing) and some 3’s thrown in but I can’t wrap my head around why I would want to pursue full 6 star sets when I have these random 3’s and 4’s always coming into the mix as “better”. Furthermore, from what I've read the event 5 stars are just..ok?? Are they different than the gatcha 5 stars? I have event girls Holly, Poinsettia, Gaillardia, Pine Tree, and the Star Lily reissue that I've been leveling because...well..they're 5 stars.
Can anyone clarify this? I’d be willing to give specific lineups later because I really feel that I am missing something here and not using units/teams as effectively as I could be and to go back to the first paragraph…I’m an OCD stats guy and a typical glass cannon MMO player so high ATK is generally my priority. At the end of the day do stars even matter???
I don't read all the wall of text (too wallish for me sorry) but what I can say about this:
- Total power doesn't count accessoiries bonuses. Only actual stats of the girl (including affection bonus and ampies bonus).
- For Bianca Clover and 5*, it depend if they are evolved or not. a 5* not max affection and not evolved is still weak after all.
- Total power is just ATK+DEF+HP. It doesn't count equipment slots nor abilities. So, even if a 5* seems weaker in term of total stats, she is still better if you look at her abilities.
Yes, 5* event girls (girls given by completing the even, not the girls featured in priority gacha) are (almost) weaker than other 5*. But they are still good and better than 3* and 4* (except some 4* like St Paulia who is better than more golds in term of stats).
So yes, at the end the stars matters (even if there is some exceptions).
Computed total power is basically HP + ATK + DEF + other bonuses thru affection and ampies (on helper squad power, it's just the raw HP + ATK + DEF of the girl/s; other bonuses are removed from the equation). Equipment bonus is not factored into the face value, but it should have an effect to some degree in battle. HP is the biggest factor; this is why the likes of St. Paulia break into 20k TP (which is usually 5*-tier TP) because she has the highest HP among 4*, off the top of my head, merely making TP only a crude measure of strength.
Event girls are generally much better filler units than 4/3/2* because they are of 5*/gold rarity, which grants 2 unique passives unlike that of the lower rarities. Moreover, they also have the benefit of maxed skill levels and 4 equipment slots, which makes up for relatively lower stats or skill rates (Lavender and Edelweiss come to mind) when compared to 5*s drawn from the gacha.
Stars matter because again, having 2 passives (this is where synergies come into play) make a lot of difference, but on the other hand, it's been stressed out that you do not need full 6* squads to clear a lot of the content. Even squads full of event girls should fare decently, at least.
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Maxing affection doubles the bonus received, which is why even if your 2* is unevolved, her stats can compare to 5*s of slightly higher level. At 40-50% affection vs. Max affection, the bonus your 2* is receiving from that is essentially 3.5-4x what the 5*s receive (affection bonus is linear, so 50% is twice the bonus of 25%, so 100% would be twice 50% except the doubling makes it 4x, slightly less due to higher rarities getting bigger base bonuses.
As Maotd mentioned, if your 2* is evolved, that will result in a substantial power advantage over a similar level, but unevolved 5* (since it's essentially 40-50 extra levels). Another thing to keep in mind.
In the end, if you're a power gamer/optimal setup type guy, you're going to ditch 2/3*s and eventually 4*s for the 5/6*s due to superior passives in addition to stats. Roentgen went over the advantages 5* event girls have over 2/3/4*s and even have some ways to balance their statistical/passive inferiority to their 5* gacha counterparts. The reason you'll want full 5/6*s is Passive ability synergy. This is ultimately the deciding factor of who makes the team and who doesn't (unless you whale hard enough to get lots of 6*s who auto-kick out the 5*s and below) because synergy can drastically boost a team's effectiveness more than simple leveling (and of course you'll eventually hit the level cap on your girls).
Playing from Day 1, RNGod is finally kind with me \o/.
Well done ^^
Synergy means 2 Knights granting 15% party power for net 30% bonus as team setup strategy...yes?