Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

It started with things like the overpriced flower gem shops to buy ampies and even Rainbow Skill/Dressblooms, apparently more options for the whales without effecting the casual players?

I won't disagree with anything else in that post, and while it is a crime that those overpriced ampies still exist, the 50 FGs for rainbow dressbloom is technically a good Nutaku deal for free and paying players alike.

Anyway, what irks me the most is the damage control (or pretending that there is no damage to control) on Discord.

There's obvious reason to be concerned about adding P2W (actual P2W this time, btw, not the pay-to-waifu I was praising this game for six months ago), and for Discord chat to shut down dissent is really appalling.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Guess I can't really speak to whether this will "kill" FKG, as I don't really spend money on it, so it's not like my playing habits have any bearing on its existence, but... I dunno, I just don't understand how a ranking (and nothing else) can make people quit.

The main concern as to whether or not this will kill FKG is if this is repeating what X-Overd did to suddenly die. Bear in mind X-Overd is also another PvE-only game, and that didn't change anything.

X-Overd was getting steady content updates, even if the population was low, and while DMM players didn't appreciate how whale-centric the events became, it was pulling in income all the same. For the game to suddenly pull the plug despite all that set a red flag for people, and now we're seeing the start of something similar happening here.

Wait am I missing something - how would this 'competition' work I mean when you get to a certain level....TP crawls

Guess I can't really speak to whether this will "kill" FKG, as I don't really spend money on it, so it's not like my playing habits have any bearing on its existence, but... I dunno, I just don't understand how a ranking (and nothing else) can make people quit.

Perhaps if there was some form of PvP in FKG. That I would understand. I've seen people quit games when they finally realize that - no matter what they do - they could not advance any further, whether by RNG or skill or whatever. They got their enjoyment, their rush, out of winning and improving; take that away and they leave. So shoving in their faces a whole bunch of people who are demonstrably "better" than them, and give them no (reliable) way of attempting to "beat" them, is gonna push them away.

But in a PvE-only game, where the only real "competition" between players is a glorified high score table... I dunno. The exact same waifu-collectathon is there as before, and the exact same dick-waving contest is there as before; the only real difference is now there's a billboard somewhere saying who has the largest dick in the world, as opposed to just your own group of friends.

I dunno. I just don't get it, I guess.

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DMM does have a level cap. It's just that it's 250 and there's no real incentive to get there, so nobody tries to reach it except as a challenge.

Anyway, the awfulness of this new ranking system will depend entirely on whether non-whale players are paywalled from getting appreciable rewards. If that is the case, then you have a very good argument for heading to DMM, if you didn't already.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But in a PvE-only game, where the only real "competition" between players is a glorified high score table... I dunno. The exact same waifu-collectathon is there as before, and the exact same dick-waving contest is there as before; the only real difference is now there's a billboard somewhere saying who has the largest dick in the world, as opposed to just your own group of friends.

I dunno. I just don't get it, I guess.

The difference is that there are now rewards tied to dick waving. If you thought whales were obnoxious before, oh boy.

Again, I refer to that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during Christmas, along with the amount of pissed off players and headaches caused in discord.
It depends on how thick each player's skin is, but chances are most people will be discouraged by the fact that whales reap more benefits than casuals. You could try to justify it by saying that whales "deserve more rewards" (as if them getting what they pay for isn't enough?), but FKG along with the philosophy of the original devs was never meant to be that kind of game.

Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

The difference is that there are now rewards tied to dick waving. If you thought whales were obnoxious before, oh boy.

Again, I refer to that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during Christmas, along with the amount of pissed off players and headaches caused in discord.
It depends on how thick each player's skin is, but chances are most people will be discouraged by the fact that whales reap more benefits than casuals. You could try to justify it by saying that whales "deserve more rewards" (as if them getting what they pay for isn't enough?), but FKG along with the philosophy of the original devs was never meant to be that kind of game.

*Have* they tied rewards to the global ranking? Earlier posts in this thread seemed to indicate that ranking-based rewards was a possible outcome down the line, but not that they had actually implemented it already, or promised to. (Honest question; I don't visit the Discord, so most of my FKG news comes from either the game itself or browsing here.)

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People are not worried about global TP rankings existing. That is fine.

People are worried about global TP rankings being tied to in-game rewards. That has been implied, and is not fine.

Eh. I see this morning as the same as any other Tuesday or Thursday: Minor changes bringing doomsayers out of the woodwork.
If the game dies, it dies. If it lives on, it lives on. Eh. C'est la vie.

Personally I don't really see why people are getting into a tizzy. The community spent the last month complaining and plastering the Discord Issues channel with "Where's my ranking list?" "I want the ranking list back!" or variants of "FKG must be dying because they removed the TP list!" Now we have people complaining it's back, complaining that they won't be eligible for freebies (that they weren't getting beforehand anyway) and worrying that some random player will be "Global #1/Ally #1" over them. It just seems like regardless of what's given to us, we're going to sit here and bash it, and find a way it's going to ruin FKG.

Why are people bothered by a general global ranking list anyway? You don't have to look at the list, it's stashed away in the corner, in a tab that's smaller than any other button on our UI. It's not like they wouldn't be above the rest of us without the list letting us know they are anyway. This entire "FKG will become Competitive" concept is stupid. Those players who are already the strongest among us are already making a competition of seeing who's the strongest between them anyway. The people who genuinely play for the waifu factor:
Why do you care if you ampyd a 3* because she's weak if she's your waifu? Isn't the whole point of ampying a waifu who's not "meta" or "viable" late game the fact that she's your favourite, and it was a sacrifice of better/more viable options to show your favouritism?

Why bother even giving us new content if all it accomplishes is get the community worried about the game dying because of it. Might as well just pull a KGs and stop updating if this is how we act. Realistically the only shitty thing about the TP board is the colour-scheme they chose makes it impossible to read if you're colour-blind.

Said it before and I'll say it again; Our community acts like spoiled children over anything and everything. Unpopular an opinion that it might be, I still think that it's true.

Originally Posted by Bloodsport Bloom

Eh. I see this morning as the same as any other Tuesday or Thursday: Minor changes bringing doomsayers out of the woodwork.
If the game dies, it dies. If it lives on, it lives on. Eh. C'est la vie.

Personally I don't really see why people are getting into a tizzy. The community spent the last month complaining and plastering the Discord Issues channel with "Where's my ranking list?" "I want the ranking list back!" or variants of "FKG must be dying because they removed the TP list!" Now we have people complaining it's back, complaining that they won't be eligible for freebies (that they weren't getting beforehand anyway) and worrying that some random player will be "Global #1/Ally #1" over them. It just seems like regardless of what's given to us, we're going to sit here and bash it, and find a way it's going to ruin FKG.

Why are people bothered by a general global ranking list anyway? You don't have to look at the list, it's stashed away in the corner, in a tab that's smaller than any other button on our UI. It's not like they wouldn't be above the rest of us without the list letting us know they are anyway. This entire "FKG will become Competitive" concept is stupid. Those players who are already the strongest among us are already making a competition of seeing who's the strongest between them anyway. The people who genuinely play for the waifu factor:
Why do you care if you ampyd a 3* because she's weak if she's your waifu? Isn't the whole point of ampying a waifu who's not "meta" or "viable" late game the fact that she's your favourite, and it was a sacrifice of better/more viable options to show your favouritism?

Why bother even giving us new content if all it accomplishes is get the community worried about the game dying because of it. Might as well just pull a KGs and stop updating if this is how we act. Realistically the only shitty thing about the TP board is the colour-scheme they chose makes it impossible to read if you're colour-blind.

Said it before and I'll say it again; Our community acts like spoiled children over anything and everything. Unpopular an opinion that it might be, I still think that it's true.

Did you miss the part where X-Overd and other games pulled this stunt and died a quick death possibly because of it?

I ignored the rankings in those games. It was stupid, but at least it was setting a precedent for it. Now that we know what that precedent can lead to, I don't want to see it here.