New ranking looks like Excel spreadsheet. Shit, compared to old one (IMO).
I won't say anything about global ranking, since it's not even in game yet. It might only affect whales, it might drive everyone away from the game. Only time will tell. But knowing Nutaku, and knowing it's their idea... Right now I'm really considering giving DMM a try. Just in case.

And so the beginning of the end.

I was wondering when Nutaku would take their customization and tweaks too far, and it looks like it has begun.

Anyways, later down DMM update line, the TP display was tweaked to include ampies and equipment, so that even public helper squads would visually reflect their true strength.
Food for thought.

If Nutaku FKGs may die, it will die because the lack of free thing-support.

Dying of this game is nigh, if those dev still try to make this game into a Pay2Win game.

Originally Posted by Mindrunner

You think this will kill FKG?

Well not instantly, but it's a creeping disease.

Creeping changes like this are red alerts for me. I've seen it happen time and time again to games that enjoyed healthy popularity. It usually marks its decline, or at least its deviation from the game it once was, and potentially alienates newer players from ever giving the game a try.

They say it's small changes that won't affect anything. But what people don't realize is that small changes like these is what incentivizes further, more drastic changes.

It started with things like the overpriced flower gem shops to buy ampies and even Rainbow Skill/Dressblooms, apparently more options for the whales without effecting the casual players?
Then they built a custom UI that deviated drastically from the DMM UI. At first I didn't know why, maybe they were bored?
But it's obvious now, it's framework for them to add further Nutaku customization. As evident with the Nutaku "Rankings" feature.

The mods on discord claim that players will simply earn rewards based on their own TP and will not be compared to their friends, therefore people will technically lose nothing and get freebies only from it. But then what's that "Global Rankings" button greyed out and peeking to the right of that menu? What reason would we have to plan to implement a Global Ranking feature that even DMM does not deem necessary to have?

It's clear they're pushing for a more "competitive" atmosphere with easier and clearer ways to not only compare each other to friends, but to the entire server as a whole. This is a thin line, because if they aren't careful they may alienate/intimidate/frustrate newer players.
They claim that this won't make the game p2w for now, but Nutaku's history of poor management makes me very cautious and critical of their every decision.

What's to say they won't implement rewards for Global Rankings next? What other reason do they otherwise to include this feature? Kindness of their heart? Nah.
Every decision Nutaku makes is for profit. The overpriced custom flower gem shop was so they could make more money from those willing to shell out the dosh. Their multitude of weekly deals (whether cheap or overpriced) serves to make them more money. And now this custom UI and reward based ranking system is surely for the same reason, to make more money.


Also, remember that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during christmas. Remember the amount of salt that people had from drawing a gold knight while people around them drew rainbow knights? Even though the ticket was given for free no strings attached?
Doesn't matter if it's freebies with nothing to lose or not. It's a matter of player satisfaction. A lot of players will find competition and will compare themselves harshly to other players whenever they can.
What if super good ranking rewards were only available monthly to players above 500k TP? For example, every month as a player with over 500k TP, you get a Free Premium Draw ticket, or a Rainbow Skillbloom? While players under 500k TP get...iono, 1 flower gem monthly?
It'd leave a bad taste in people's mouths, and would be a clear indication of Nutaku further pandering to whales. Causing furhter frustration ontop of the already existing frustration of inherent to Gacha games, as well as the issue people take comparing Nutaku to DMM, whom give out more monthly freebies than Nutaku.

And while I don't wanna bring up the fact that DMM gives out more freebies than Nutaku as that's more of a size-of-playerbase thing than it is an act of kindness on their part, freebies given out on DMM are still given to every single player, whether you are a whale or a newbie.
Comparatively, freebies from this ranking system on Nutaku will be on a player-by-player Total Power basis, where only the whales will get the best rewards while casuals get less.

A better system would be that freebie rewards become more lucrative depending on the total power of the entire playerbase, and everyone gets the rewards, so that everyone would benefit equally. But that's just a pipe dream because that doesn't make as much potential profit.

Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

It started with things like the overpriced flower gem shops to buy ampies and even Rainbow Skill/Dressblooms, apparently more options for the whales without effecting the casual players?

I won't disagree with anything else in that post, and while it is a crime that those overpriced ampies still exist, the 50 FGs for rainbow dressbloom is technically a good Nutaku deal for free and paying players alike.

Anyway, what irks me the most is the damage control (or pretending that there is no damage to control) on Discord.

There's obvious reason to be concerned about adding P2W (actual P2W this time, btw, not the pay-to-waifu I was praising this game for six months ago), and for Discord chat to shut down dissent is really appalling.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Guess I can't really speak to whether this will "kill" FKG, as I don't really spend money on it, so it's not like my playing habits have any bearing on its existence, but... I dunno, I just don't understand how a ranking (and nothing else) can make people quit.

The main concern as to whether or not this will kill FKG is if this is repeating what X-Overd did to suddenly die. Bear in mind X-Overd is also another PvE-only game, and that didn't change anything.

X-Overd was getting steady content updates, even if the population was low, and while DMM players didn't appreciate how whale-centric the events became, it was pulling in income all the same. For the game to suddenly pull the plug despite all that set a red flag for people, and now we're seeing the start of something similar happening here.

Wait am I missing something - how would this 'competition' work I mean when you get to a certain level....TP crawls

Guess I can't really speak to whether this will "kill" FKG, as I don't really spend money on it, so it's not like my playing habits have any bearing on its existence, but... I dunno, I just don't understand how a ranking (and nothing else) can make people quit.

Perhaps if there was some form of PvP in FKG. That I would understand. I've seen people quit games when they finally realize that - no matter what they do - they could not advance any further, whether by RNG or skill or whatever. They got their enjoyment, their rush, out of winning and improving; take that away and they leave. So shoving in their faces a whole bunch of people who are demonstrably "better" than them, and give them no (reliable) way of attempting to "beat" them, is gonna push them away.

But in a PvE-only game, where the only real "competition" between players is a glorified high score table... I dunno. The exact same waifu-collectathon is there as before, and the exact same dick-waving contest is there as before; the only real difference is now there's a billboard somewhere saying who has the largest dick in the world, as opposed to just your own group of friends.

I dunno. I just don't get it, I guess.

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DMM does have a level cap. It's just that it's 250 and there's no real incentive to get there, so nobody tries to reach it except as a challenge.

Anyway, the awfulness of this new ranking system will depend entirely on whether non-whale players are paywalled from getting appreciable rewards. If that is the case, then you have a very good argument for heading to DMM, if you didn't already.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But in a PvE-only game, where the only real "competition" between players is a glorified high score table... I dunno. The exact same waifu-collectathon is there as before, and the exact same dick-waving contest is there as before; the only real difference is now there's a billboard somewhere saying who has the largest dick in the world, as opposed to just your own group of friends.

I dunno. I just don't get it, I guess.

The difference is that there are now rewards tied to dick waving. If you thought whales were obnoxious before, oh boy.

Again, I refer to that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during Christmas, along with the amount of pissed off players and headaches caused in discord.
It depends on how thick each player's skin is, but chances are most people will be discouraged by the fact that whales reap more benefits than casuals. You could try to justify it by saying that whales "deserve more rewards" (as if them getting what they pay for isn't enough?), but FKG along with the philosophy of the original devs was never meant to be that kind of game.

Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

The difference is that there are now rewards tied to dick waving. If you thought whales were obnoxious before, oh boy.

Again, I refer to that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during Christmas, along with the amount of pissed off players and headaches caused in discord.
It depends on how thick each player's skin is, but chances are most people will be discouraged by the fact that whales reap more benefits than casuals. You could try to justify it by saying that whales "deserve more rewards" (as if them getting what they pay for isn't enough?), but FKG along with the philosophy of the original devs was never meant to be that kind of game.

*Have* they tied rewards to the global ranking? Earlier posts in this thread seemed to indicate that ranking-based rewards was a possible outcome down the line, but not that they had actually implemented it already, or promised to. (Honest question; I don't visit the Discord, so most of my FKG news comes from either the game itself or browsing here.)

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People are not worried about global TP rankings existing. That is fine.

People are worried about global TP rankings being tied to in-game rewards. That has been implied, and is not fine.

Yes, Nameless himself confirmed eventual rewards tied to the Ranking List.

Not yet, though. He also didn't reveal WHAT the rewards could be. Might just be 20k Equip Seeds.