Guess I can't really speak to whether this will "kill" FKG, as I don't really spend money on it, so it's not like my playing habits have any bearing on its existence, but... I dunno, I just don't understand how a ranking (and nothing else) can make people quit.

Perhaps if there was some form of PvP in FKG. That I would understand. I've seen people quit games when they finally realize that - no matter what they do - they could not advance any further, whether by RNG or skill or whatever. They got their enjoyment, their rush, out of winning and improving; take that away and they leave. So shoving in their faces a whole bunch of people who are demonstrably "better" than them, and give them no (reliable) way of attempting to "beat" them, is gonna push them away.

But in a PvE-only game, where the only real "competition" between players is a glorified high score table... I dunno. The exact same waifu-collectathon is there as before, and the exact same dick-waving contest is there as before; the only real difference is now there's a billboard somewhere saying who has the largest dick in the world, as opposed to just your own group of friends.

I dunno. I just don't get it, I guess.

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DMM does have a level cap. It's just that it's 250 and there's no real incentive to get there, so nobody tries to reach it except as a challenge.

Anyway, the awfulness of this new ranking system will depend entirely on whether non-whale players are paywalled from getting appreciable rewards. If that is the case, then you have a very good argument for heading to DMM, if you didn't already.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But in a PvE-only game, where the only real "competition" between players is a glorified high score table... I dunno. The exact same waifu-collectathon is there as before, and the exact same dick-waving contest is there as before; the only real difference is now there's a billboard somewhere saying who has the largest dick in the world, as opposed to just your own group of friends.

I dunno. I just don't get it, I guess.

The difference is that there are now rewards tied to dick waving. If you thought whales were obnoxious before, oh boy.

Again, I refer to that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during Christmas, along with the amount of pissed off players and headaches caused in discord.
It depends on how thick each player's skin is, but chances are most people will be discouraged by the fact that whales reap more benefits than casuals. You could try to justify it by saying that whales "deserve more rewards" (as if them getting what they pay for isn't enough?), but FKG along with the philosophy of the original devs was never meant to be that kind of game.

Originally Posted by A Time to Screw

The difference is that there are now rewards tied to dick waving. If you thought whales were obnoxious before, oh boy.

Again, I refer to that shitstorm that was the free [50% Gold Knight, 50% Rainbow Knight] ticket that was givem during Christmas, along with the amount of pissed off players and headaches caused in discord.
It depends on how thick each player's skin is, but chances are most people will be discouraged by the fact that whales reap more benefits than casuals. You could try to justify it by saying that whales "deserve more rewards" (as if them getting what they pay for isn't enough?), but FKG along with the philosophy of the original devs was never meant to be that kind of game.

*Have* they tied rewards to the global ranking? Earlier posts in this thread seemed to indicate that ranking-based rewards was a possible outcome down the line, but not that they had actually implemented it already, or promised to. (Honest question; I don't visit the Discord, so most of my FKG news comes from either the game itself or browsing here.)

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People are not worried about global TP rankings existing. That is fine.

People are worried about global TP rankings being tied to in-game rewards. That has been implied, and is not fine.

Yes, Nameless himself confirmed eventual rewards tied to the Ranking List.

Not yet, though. He also didn't reveal WHAT the rewards could be. Might just be 20k Equip Seeds.

Eh. I see this morning as the same as any other Tuesday or Thursday: Minor changes bringing doomsayers out of the woodwork.
If the game dies, it dies. If it lives on, it lives on. Eh. C'est la vie.

Personally I don't really see why people are getting into a tizzy. The community spent the last month complaining and plastering the Discord Issues channel with "Where's my ranking list?" "I want the ranking list back!" or variants of "FKG must be dying because they removed the TP list!" Now we have people complaining it's back, complaining that they won't be eligible for freebies (that they weren't getting beforehand anyway) and worrying that some random player will be "Global #1/Ally #1" over them. It just seems like regardless of what's given to us, we're going to sit here and bash it, and find a way it's going to ruin FKG.

Why are people bothered by a general global ranking list anyway? You don't have to look at the list, it's stashed away in the corner, in a tab that's smaller than any other button on our UI. It's not like they wouldn't be above the rest of us without the list letting us know they are anyway. This entire "FKG will become Competitive" concept is stupid. Those players who are already the strongest among us are already making a competition of seeing who's the strongest between them anyway. The people who genuinely play for the waifu factor:
Why do you care if you ampyd a 3* because she's weak if she's your waifu? Isn't the whole point of ampying a waifu who's not "meta" or "viable" late game the fact that she's your favourite, and it was a sacrifice of better/more viable options to show your favouritism?

Why bother even giving us new content if all it accomplishes is get the community worried about the game dying because of it. Might as well just pull a KGs and stop updating if this is how we act. Realistically the only shitty thing about the TP board is the colour-scheme they chose makes it impossible to read if you're colour-blind.

Said it before and I'll say it again; Our community acts like spoiled children over anything and everything. Unpopular an opinion that it might be, I still think that it's true.

Originally Posted by Bloodsport Bloom

Eh. I see this morning as the same as any other Tuesday or Thursday: Minor changes bringing doomsayers out of the woodwork.
If the game dies, it dies. If it lives on, it lives on. Eh. C'est la vie.

Personally I don't really see why people are getting into a tizzy. The community spent the last month complaining and plastering the Discord Issues channel with "Where's my ranking list?" "I want the ranking list back!" or variants of "FKG must be dying because they removed the TP list!" Now we have people complaining it's back, complaining that they won't be eligible for freebies (that they weren't getting beforehand anyway) and worrying that some random player will be "Global #1/Ally #1" over them. It just seems like regardless of what's given to us, we're going to sit here and bash it, and find a way it's going to ruin FKG.

Why are people bothered by a general global ranking list anyway? You don't have to look at the list, it's stashed away in the corner, in a tab that's smaller than any other button on our UI. It's not like they wouldn't be above the rest of us without the list letting us know they are anyway. This entire "FKG will become Competitive" concept is stupid. Those players who are already the strongest among us are already making a competition of seeing who's the strongest between them anyway. The people who genuinely play for the waifu factor:
Why do you care if you ampyd a 3* because she's weak if she's your waifu? Isn't the whole point of ampying a waifu who's not "meta" or "viable" late game the fact that she's your favourite, and it was a sacrifice of better/more viable options to show your favouritism?

Why bother even giving us new content if all it accomplishes is get the community worried about the game dying because of it. Might as well just pull a KGs and stop updating if this is how we act. Realistically the only shitty thing about the TP board is the colour-scheme they chose makes it impossible to read if you're colour-blind.

Said it before and I'll say it again; Our community acts like spoiled children over anything and everything. Unpopular an opinion that it might be, I still think that it's true.

Did you miss the part where X-Overd and other games pulled this stunt and died a quick death possibly because of it?

I ignored the rankings in those games. It was stupid, but at least it was setting a precedent for it. Now that we know what that precedent can lead to, I don't want to see it here.

I was there. See my second line.

If the game dies, it dies. If it lives on, which it will, it lives on. I spend money on the game. I'm just as invested as you, Eab.
But come on, these games die. XOverd was a different game with a different set of circumstances. It's silly to point at it and go, "But XOverd closed." XOverd isn't FKG. It's like being good at soccer, seeing your buddy kicked off the team when he's garbage at the sport, and then worrying yourself sick that you'll be next. Eventually that stress is going to boil over and manifest, like it did this morning.

I mean come on, Nameless left the chat because of the way everyone was freaking out. He gave us something we wouldn't shut the hell up about for months and left in less than 15 minutes because we all threw a fit over it. I honestly feel bad for the guy. It was like watching a man bring his wife a bouquet of flowers but she gets mad because they're not the colour she wanted, so she throws them on the ground and wails until he just leaves the room.

Edit: As mentioned, DMM is always an option for those who genuinely 'HATE' Nutaku's way of handling things.
Secondary point: For the record, I'm of the belief that, yeah. Whales actually do deserve the extra gifts/FGs they might get for whaling harder for TP whoring. Those are the guys that are keeping the game from dying in the first place. Why wouldn't they deserve more when they literally pay for the game to run and be maintained. Let's lose this childish "we should all get equal shares" bullshit for a minute and live in the real world. The guys paying for the rest of us should get more because they earned it.

If you saw it, then you know why people are upset about it. Don't ask rhetorical questions and get indignant when people break it down for you.

Yes, X-Overd isn't FKG. Nobody wants to see a repeat of that. But that doesn't mean history won't repeat itself. Given Nutaku's shitty reputation, it makes sense to be concerned.

Also, Nameless gets no sympathy from me at this point when I tried to pass along a complaint through PM, and he blew up on me just because I pinged him before he even left for work. If he wants to be less involved from the community and to pass the buck to others because of incidents like that, fine, but don't expect me to pity him when it was part of his job in the first place.

Good b8 m8.

I'm saying FKG community is like a prissy wife. This thread is a testament to that.
I've said my two cents worth.

For the record, I would have left after five minutes. Nameless doesn't owe us jack shit, and I'm surprised he gave us that much time considering the reaction he was given to giving us back a feature everyone spent a month begging for.

Originally Posted by Bloodsport Bloom

Good b8 m8.

I'm saying FKG community is like a prissy wife. This thread is a testament to that.
I've said my two cents worth.

For the record, I would have left after five minutes. Nameless doesn't owe us jack shit, and I'm surprised he gave us that much time considering the reaction he was given to giving us back a feature everyone spent a month begging for.

I don't know what kind of bouquet you bought to piss off your wife that badly, but perhaps you should let the florist pick out the flowers for you next time?

Also, the playerbase was "begging" them to give back a feature that was, according to the devs, "mistakenly removed" in the first place. We shouldn't have to beg them to fix what was, at the time, thought to be a mistake.

But then out of nowhere they announced the newer ranking system. So it's obvious they withheld the true reason for removing the old ranking list, probably exactly for the same reason they are receiving backlash now.
So Nutaku, being as transparent as ever (as transparent as the Great Wall of China), withheld information and the real reason for the removal of the old ranking system to make time to force this new one down our throats.

Classic Nutaku move. You're free to continue to excuse their actions if you wish though.