Well I haven't spent a dime on the game and would like some new 5 ranks and know that getting a 6 is nigh impossible without money. I have plenty of characters from the events that still need development so I guess I can fall back on the 5 ranks.

BTW, I glanced at youtube and saw a supposed guaranteed way to get a 6rank from the free gacha by this method

1.Don't do the daily free pull
2.Take the team through a map run
3.Spend 5 fgs on the premium 1 pull
4.Do free pull a

Well, I envy your financial responsibility.

However, if you're not going to spend real money in the game, I'd strongly recommend you continue to do 11-pulls, at least until you get more solid 5*s. You'll have bad luck with some of them, even most of them, but you have no other way to even have a chance of getting new quality 5* or even 6* girls on your squad.

I've probably went through about a dozen premium 11-rolls with the awful 5* and 6* odds (a few of them I purchased, most of them just through collecting FGs) since I joined and I have gotten two 6*s and at least ten 5*s that way. It's tempting to get down on the 11-rolls when you get unlucky, but it's worth noting that the odds are objectively over 50% with every 11-roll that you'll get at least one 5*. In other words, based simply on the numbers an 11-roll will more likely than not (not always, but probably) give you at least one 5* character that will probably be considerably better than the 'free' 5*s you'll earn through events.

And I'd say that's worth more than stamina rejuvenation if that's the only way you can potentially collect more quality 5* and 6* girls.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well I haven't spent a dime on the game and would like some new 5 ranks and know that getting a 6 is nigh impossible without money. I have plenty of characters from the events that still need development so I guess I can fall back on the 5 ranks.

BTW, I glanced at youtube and saw a supposed guaranteed way to get a 6rank from the free gacha by this method

1.Don't do the daily free pull
2.Take the team through a map run
3.Spend 5 fgs on the premium 1 pull
4.Do free pull a

Consider that, if that method in any way actually worked:
1) people here would never complain about gacha pulls since they wouldn't have a need to do them, and
2) the FKG dev team wouldn't make a dime since no one would pay for premium pulls or even guaranteed tickets.

->Open Spoiler<-

To be perfectly clear, that method you saw doesn't work and if it -ever- did, didn't work for very long.

Originally Posted by FriendlyFacez

Well, I envy your financial responsibility.

However, if you're not going to spend real money in the game, I'd strongly recommend you continue to do 11-pulls, at least until you get more solid 5*s. You'll have bad luck with some of them, even most of them, but you have no other way to even have a chance of getting new quality 5* or even 6* girls on your squad.

I've probably went through about a dozen premium 11-rolls with the awful 5* and 6* odds (a few of them I purchased, most of them just through collecting FGs) since I joined and I have gotten two 6*s and at least ten 5*s that way. It's tempting to get down on the 11-rolls when you get unlucky, but it's worth noting that the odds are objectively over 50% with every 11-roll that you'll get at least one 5*. In other words, based simply on the numbers an 11-roll will more likely than not (not always, but probably) give you at least one 5* character that will probably be considerably better than the 'free' 5*s you'll earn through events.

And I'd say that's worth more than stamina rejuvenation if that's the only way you can potentially collect more quality 5* and 6* girls.

As much as I prefer saving my FGs for stamina, I can't argue the points you've made (but I'll try!); if you don't want to pay any money at all into the game then without the FG gachas, you will hit a brick wall with just event 5*s...but not as soon as one might think.

A good number of event 5* have decent stats and abilities, and since they are pretty easy to get to 5/5 will definitely outperform most, if not all, non-event 5* who are sitting at 1/1. I'm not sure that a group of 5/5 fully ampied event girls could take on later whaleship missions, but they will definitely get you through all other current content.

But, until you build up a good stable of event girls (don't forget the reissues!), I would probably still argue that FGs are better for stam to allow you to run reissue maps alongside current events. It definitely isn't exciting, but I think would get you the most bang for your FG. Right now, there are 20 permanent-reissued girls to get, one reissued girl and of course, the current event girl. That's more than enough to get you a team of full 5* units with enough variety of abilities and attack types (at least 5 of each attack type).

Originally Posted by HungryHunter

I was wondering why we had a retreat button

then I realise it's useful to throw away normal raid bosses during raid boss events

Just hit retreat

I wish more people would do this for non-event RBs. That said, it looks like the RB list is now sorted with event RBs always at the top.

It does seem that boosting the event jewelry instead of normal stuff(with the silver /gold) plus the second tier of affection(even minus the second h scenes) will get one rather far into whale maps if one does a dedicated 'whale squad', even with 5 rankers

FG Gatcha is like this... would you like to feel what real gambling is like without losing actual money? If so roll gatcha. I tend to do it for fun since I just don;t have the time to burn all the stam I could refill with them instead. I'd go for Character Slots and Equip Slots before stam refills 90% of the time.

Originally Posted by Taon

As much as I prefer saving my FGs for stamina, I can't argue the points you've made (but I'll try!); if you don't want to pay any money at all into the game then without the FG gachas, you will hit a brick wall with just event 5*s...but not as soon as one might think.

Well, I suspect both you and I have spent real money on FKG, and once you take that route, I absolutely agree; if you're investing in occasional one-use gachas (just never that godawful expensive Black Baccara 6* one) and occasional tickets with daily deals, you should always use your FGs on anything that isn't 11-rolls as you'll A: gradually get the characters you want through tickets anyway and B: most the one-use gachas tend to involve premium rolls (often with better odds) as part of the package deal.

Where I disagree with you is on the event 5* girls. Not that they're not useful -- they're definitely useful in battle. But until recently with new standouts like Eucharis, Trailing Abutilon and Skimmia, the art direction for previous 5* event girls just stunk. I know it's subjective to a large extent and I'm not here to denigrate anyone else's favorite character but it really felt like the FKG team consistently put less effort into the design of many of those characters. I'm not just talking H-scenes, but also battle animations and abilities...it just feels like the 'real' 5* girls have so much more personality and are so much more interesting, and that's even before you consider their better stats.

Add onto that the more than 50% odds you'll actually get at least one new 5* with every 11-roll, and I'd still definitely recommend the FTP crowd roll the premium gacha until they get at least a decent base of solid characters. At the very least, you want an 'A team' (Team 1) of 5* and 6* Waifus with designs and personalities you really like.

I mean, sure, there are 20 permanent-reissue girls to get. But if you're as picky as I am, the vast majority of them won't be nearly as worthwhile as the vast majority of regular 5*s you can roll for. But I guess it depends on your goals with the game -- if you just want to max out your team's stats and have a good enough team to take on any challenge then sure, the event girls will do. My perspective is, FKG is basically a Waifu simulator, so you want to make sure you maximize your chances of getting your Waifus, and that's more important than having enough stamina to churn through every map or fight every battle. I'd rather make significantly less progress in the game with a team of girls I cared about -- heck, as of now I've only done one reissued or permanent reissued event period, and only because I cared enough about Russelia's design (a rare outlier for the event 5*s) to invest to get her.

That's all just my two cents, your mileage may vary depending on why you're playing FKG and what you're looking to get out of the experience.

Eh, stamina refills can have questionable value themselves. Between my level being sufficiently high (yay being in the needing near 20 hours to refill stamina club) and my normal schedule, stamina refills have zero value to me most of the time. I just need to keep a reserve in case of trips.
Raid boss events can be manic though.

11-rolls themselves are a gamble (and I've had horrendous luck with them). But there's really little else to even spend flower gems on for some free players. What's there to get/do with them? Push your storage slots from X00 to X50? Great, that's 10 gems. AKA 1 week worth of gems (8 from a half of the main event, 1 from a half of a reprint, and 1 from every 5th day). One weak later? Push your storage slots from X50 to the next multiple of 100? Eventually you either hit 'enough' or 'current maximum the game allows'.
And it's been long enough since there were stuff to buy with gems (like the rainbow dressblooms for 50 gems each) or did the 'do a 50 gem 11-pull and get a 5* gacha ticket' offer that it's safe to assume they'll never come back. What else is there to even do with gems? It's basically why this week I shrugged and threw 100 out of my ~220 gems to try (and fail) getting the Lycoris variant.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

What else is there to even do with gems? It's basically why this week I shrugged and threw 100 out of my ~220 gems to try (and fail) getting the Lycoris variant.

If it makes you feel better, I spent $40 for the one-use gacha under the erroneous assumption that I'd be able to get Shrine Maiden Lycoris with it!

It sort of worked out for me anyway due to some dumb luck with the gacha rolls, and I probably would've done it anyway even if I knew the Lycoris form I wanted was off the table (her new design is so much better than her old one!), but I miscalculated on that one.

Stamina boosting was of great use to me in the last event, if only because I can't imagine flipping all those cards for the stuff I wanted without it. Then again, I'm only LV 58 right now.